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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  "Out of the heart's abundance the mouth speaks..."

  
  

  @SeaBreeze, Why do you like to talk about "gas" so much? 🤭

  
  

  I know Jesus died and was resurrected. Yes, I am concerned that you keep saying that I said something I didn't say. You're the one who insists Jesus never really died.

  
  

  "Now if it is being preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how is it that some among you say there is no resurrection of the dead? If, indeed, there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised up. But if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and your faith is also in vain. Moreover, we are also found to be false witnesses of God, because we have given witness against God by saying that he raised up the Christ, whom he did not raise up if the dead are really not to be raised up. For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins. Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death."
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  Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some areas that i have found:.

  not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

  the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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  The scriptures make clear that Jesus isn't "merely an angelic being". The scriptures also make clear that an archangel isn't merely an angel.🙂
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  Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  take for example revelation 21: 10. .

  “….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

  here john sees something happening, action.

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  True, @Vanderhoven, but the disciples asked two questions. "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" (Matthew 24:3) Jesus answered them both.

  
  

  (1) When will these things be (regarding the first century temple being torn down)?

  
  

  (2) What will be the sign of your presence in Kingdom power and the conclusion of the system of things?

  
  

  Jesus told them when the Jewish system of things would end. But he also answered when he would come in Kingdom power and end the complete current system of things.

  
  

  How do we know?

  
  

  "...for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again..." (Matthew 24:21)

  
  

  The tribulation that occurred in Jerusalem in the first century was bad, but it's not the worst tribulation ever to occur on the earth. There have been plenty of bad "tribulations" since that time up until now. The great tribulation to come will be worse than what happened in Jerusalem, and it will be worse than anything that has happened up to this point.

  
  

  "In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."

  
  

  Also, these things haven't happened yet...

  
  

  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

  
  

  Everybody will see Jesus. Everyone will know. We won't have to say, "hey, did you know this means Jesus is present?" Nope. Everyone will know without needing to be told. "They will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
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  Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

  and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

  paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

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  "And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us." (Hebrews 11:39,40)

  
  

  In those verses, Paul was referring to two groups: "all of these" (Samson, Sarah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, David, etc) who had the hope of living forever on the earth and then "us" (Paul and the Christians in the first century who were anointed to be part of the Kingdom government in heaven).

  
  

  He wasn't talking about the resurrection of the 144,000 when he said "all of these".

  
  

  But Paul did say at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18:

  
  

  "Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. So keep comforting one another with these words."

  
  

  When Jesus called Lazarus out of the cave where he was buried, he called him with a loud voice. When Jesus descends from heaven to the earth "with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet" it is going to be much "louder". Loud enough to wake the dead. Everyone will know.

  
  

  Revelation shows that during the great tribulation when Jesus resurrects the anointed ones who have died, everyone will know. Paul, Peter, Mary, James, Mary Magdalene...they will all be walking around in materialized bodies just like Jesus did for those 40 days after he was resurrected. Everybody will know they've been resurrected.
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  Only baptised JWs will make it?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
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  i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

  then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

  most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.

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  A great crowd of non-Israelites were saved out of Egypt.

  
  

  A great crowd of non-Christians will be saved out of Armageddon.

  
  

  Jehovah hasn't changed.
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  Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

  a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

  the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Was Anthony Morris III lost?

  
  

  I like the lyrics to Amazing Grace...

  
  

  "Amazing grace how sweet the sound

  That saved a wretch like me

  I once was lost, but now I'm found

  Was blind but now I see

  
  

  'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear

  And grace my fears relieved

  How precious did that grace appear

  The hour I first believed

  
  

  Through many dangers, toils, and snares

  I have already come

  This grace that brought me safe thus far

  And grace will lead me home

  
  

  When we've been here ten thousand years

  Bright, shining as the sun

  We've no less days to sing God's praise

  Than when we first begun

  
  

  Amazing grace how sweet the sound

  That saved a wretch like me

  I once was lost, but now I'm found

  Was blind but now I see."

  
  

  (I think there is an expression "not all who wander are lost...")

  
  

  I am not privy to the details of Anthony Morris III's situation, but I do know that Jesus got the beating we all deserved. I am glad the ransom is enough to cover my sins. If Anthony Morris III repents of whatever he's done in his life and has faith in the ransom, then Jesus' blood is enough for him too.
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  Only baptised JWs will make it?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

  then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

  most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.

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  Jesus started the congregation (his body) back in the first century. The message to "the congregations" in Revelation isn't just for "Jehovah's Witnesses" as an org. It's to all "the congregations" that can trace their origin back to that time in the first century. All who claim to be Christian can trace their origin back to that time, not just "Jehovah's Witnesses".

  
  

  The direction to the seven congregations shows that some congregations have sectarianism. Some have immorality. Some have idolatry.

  
  

  Jesus said he had some faithful sheep scattered in all those places. He knows where they are.

  
  

  "The congregation" doesn't just mean "baptized Jehovah's Witnesses." Jesus knows who is one of his sheep. He didn't receive the kingdom in 1914. When he receives the kingdom in heaven, then he will send out his angels and they will remove the weedlike false teachings and the hypocritical people from all the "Christians" and then "at that time the righteous ones will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father."

  
  

  As regards "non-Christians" and whether they will be "saved"...

  
  

  If Abraham could be God's friend before being baptized, then a person can be a sheep without being baptized.

  
  

  "I have other sheep, who are not of this fold..."

  
  

  A great crowd of "unbelievers" went out of Egypt with the Israelites. They didn't have time to have a long history of "works that befit repentance". They didn't have time to learn everything about Jehovah. At the last minute, when they saw all their idols destroyed and a great tribulation on Egypt, they said "we will go with you people, for we have heard God is with you people." It was enough for Jehovah.
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  Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some areas that i have found:.

  not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

  the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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  Why are you asking? Do you now believe that Jesus is Michael too?

  
  

  If you don't believe that Jesus is Michael, then why are you asking? If Jesus isn't Michael, then there is no need for you to ask me how to show proskyneo to him.

  
  

  That showing Michael proskyneo is scriptural even Joshua wrote about:

  
  

  "When Joshua was near Jerʹi·cho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua walked up to him and asked: “Are you on our side or on the side of our adversaries?” To this he said: “No, but I have come as prince of Jehovah’s army.” With that Joshua fell with his face to the ground and prostrated himself and said to him: “What does my lord have to say to his servant?” The prince of Jehovah’s army replied to Joshua: “Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy.” At once Joshua did so." (Joshua 5:13-15)
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Of course, I am very concerned for you...you keep saying that Jesus was never dead.

  
  

  If you think he was never dead, then you must also think he was never raised from the dead, and, as you said...

  
  

  God says if we believe Jesus' body wasn't raised from the dead ... "we are still in our sins". "
  
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  Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the revelation book it talks about jesus' witnesses.

  were are true witnesses of jesus, not those who teach that jesus is the almighty god, but really true witnesses of jesus.. this is what the revelation book ways about witnesses of jesus:.

  19:10 ..... brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning jesus.

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  Same to you, my brother🥰