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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

"If you're already asking about my math knowledge, let me note that I was a multiple math contest winner during my high school years. And for this stupid "1 + 1 + 1 = 3" argument, just that, of course, the fact that there are three divine persons does not mean that there are three Gods, since the three divine persons share the on Deity, they are the subsistences of one Godhead."

"Multiplication" math is different than "addition" math. And word problems are difficult for some people, aqwsed12345, so I understand if it's not easy for you.

The word problem "One God plus one Son plus one holy spirit equals three things" can be expressed mathematically by the equation: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. You don't even need a multiplication symbol!

That's nice that you won some multiple math contests in high school. Good job! 😃 The nice thing about Love is that whether you are a "winner" or a "loser" in math, God is not partial.

"Because a foolish thing of God is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God is stronger than men. For you see his calling of you, brothers, that there are not many wise in a fleshly way, not many powerful, not many of noble birth, but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame; and God chose the insignificant things of the world and the things looked down on, the things that are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, so that no one might boast in the sight of God."

Romans 9:5 shows that God was not partial to just the Israelites when it came to providing a ransom. Today, He is not partial to just Christians. God will save many who today are non-Christians too by means of the ransom.

"However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel.”"

Not all who claim to be "Christian" today act like Christians. There are many "non-Christians" today who act more like Christ than some "Christians" do. God knows where they all are, and He will not be ashamed to call them His children.

"For, indeed, while we were still weak, Christ died for ungodly men at the appointed time...God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

@aqwsed12345: 💖🫶💞💝🙂🌷

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

SeaBreeze: "Do you think it is possible that one verse is talking about your body, and the other verse is talking about a born again believers' new spirit - both of which are "you", individually and/or collectively?"

I don't believe in ancient Egyptian theology, like that "ka" "ba" "akh" thing.

SeaBreeze: "If not, please explain how a believer can both sin and "cannot sin" at the same time."

At Romans 7:21-25 Paul already explained it.

"I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body. Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law."

SeaBreeze: "Do you have family still in?"

Aye, captain.

aqwsed12345: "Please calculate for me mathematically:
1 x 1 x 1 = ?"

I can see word problems aren't your strong suit. When adding, you use the addition sign, not the multiplication sign. That's okay, a lot of kids have issues with word problems. You're not alone.😊

aqwsed12345: "We could also say, as Hilary of Poitiers does...John Chrysostom explained the statement..."

I thought we were talking about Romans 9:5? Did I somehow get mixed up onto the wrong thread? I know Jesus, and I've heard of Paul, but who are Hilary of Poiters and John Chrysostom?

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time."

Romans 9:5 is talking about our mediator, the Christ, who came in the flesh, being born in the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That he is a blessing for all is from God. Amen.

"I am telling the truth in Christ; I am not lying, as my conscience bears witness with me in holy spirit, that I have great grief and unceasing pain in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were separated from the Christ as the cursed one for the sake of my brothers, my relatives according to the flesh, who are Israelites. To them belong the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the sacred service and the promises. To them the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh. God, who is over all, be praised forever. Amen."

Just like many Israelites in the first century stumbled over traditions and over-analysis of scripture and missed the big picture, so it is the same today. They couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Love is the important thing. Romans 9:5 is about Love. God sent Jesus because of Love, and Paul was saying "may the Lord be praised because of that love. Amen."

Hope y'all have a nice day. 🥰

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

What do you call friends who love math? Give up? Algebros! 😜

"You keep trying to add the word "practice" as if this will make the problem smaller."

They say "practice makes perfect", so if you keep practicing "1+1+1" you will get three eventually.

It seems you're the one who keeps trying to make the problem "smaller". One is less than three. 1<3.

(Goodnight, SeaBreeze.😊 )

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

I already answered your question in the above post, but if you want me to "reconcile" them again for you...

Christ was born of God, and he never sinned. 1 John 5:18. "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin."

You, SeaBreeze, claim to be a NT believer, and yet you are misinterpreting Romans 9:5 because of not repenting over a basic math miscalculation. 1 John 1:8. "If we make the statement, “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us."

Thankfully math problems don't separate anyone from the Christ!

"Who will file accusation against God’s chosen ones? God is the One who declares them righteous. Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that, the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us. Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? Just as it is written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long; we have been accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” On the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely victorious through the one who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

(Good night for now, SeaBreeze - I'm going to get some sleep. Maybe tomorrow we can do some more fun math problems.😊)

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

"Here's the problem that you have..."

Regarding problems, dear SeaBreeze, I am a homeschool teacher and I assign my kids a lot of math problems when we are on that subject of mathematics, so you could say that at times I have lots of "problems". But I don't have a problem with knowing Jesus is subject to Jehovah.

"Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God."

Do you like math problems? I enjoy math. God makes it so things fit. It's not complicated. 1+1+1=3. Math is cool.

Do you like math jokes? (I copied some of these from a math joke website called beano.com...)

"I had a big argument with my friend about fractions...Our opinions were divided!"

Here's another one...

"I hate arguments about fractions...They're so divisive!"

Or how about this one...

"I can't agree about fractions with some people...On this forum, it's really causing division!"

🤣

Sorry, I love silly math puns. Okay, back to the matter at hand...

"WT theology can't really account for that can it?"

Why do you keep bringing up WT theology? I already told you the WT people kicked me out because I don't equate WT theology with God's Word.

"Christian theology perfectly accomodates this however. I think you know how, you are just not ready to accept it yet."

That sounds like a quote from "Mission: Impossible"..."your mission, should you choose to accept it..."😆

I'm all for accepting the truth. Are you alluding to the Trinity doctrine here? So far, there is no math problem on earth where 1+1+1=1. It just doesn't add up. It's an impossible mission. I've already rejected the bad math of the WT theology when they claimed that 1914 was some kind of "Christian theology". I'm not going to be accepting anybody else's bad math any time soon just because they put a label on it "Christian theology". But you can believe it if you want. I'll still love you.🙂💖

"I'm curious how you would reconcile these two verses from the same writer:
1 John 1: 8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 5: 18 - We know that whoever is born of God does not sin
How can both of these verses be true?"

Here's an example: let's say that you, SeaBreeze, claim to be born again. If you are born again, then you will do your best to be led by the holy spirit and you will not purposely grieve that spirit by going out and planning to fornicate or worship idols or get drunk and drugged up or to try to purposely trick or trap another person in a spirit of competitiveness or pride. 1 John 5:18 says "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin" or another rendition says "does not practice sin." That you, SeaBreeze, are a sinner and that you make mistakes is apparent by what is written at 1 John 1:8 where it says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Sometimes we all make mistakes, like in math problems. That's why we all have to eat humble pie sometimes. Thus, SeaBreeze, it is possible for both of those verses to be true.

But I think you already knew that both of those verses are true. Why were you asking me if you already knew?😁

(By the way, do you like pie?)

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

"how do you reconcile the verse "he is greater than I" with the verse that says that the name of Jesus "is above every name" ?

Do you believe both verses are true?"

You already know I believe the entire Bible is true.🙂 As Jesus said, "...the scripture cannot be nullified..."

"Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved." (Acts 4:12)

Jesus was given his name by Jehovah.

No one gave God His Name.

The name of Jesus is above every other name given among men by which we must get saved. (Acts 4:12) But it is evident that this does not mean above the name of the One who subjects all things to him. (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)

"...the scripture cannot be nullified..." (John 10:35)

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

"For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

@SeaBreeze, 🥰I didn't doubt it one bit. That's why I said "I'm sure you must believe!"🫶

Regarding bearing witness to Jesus, one way we bear such witness to him is to imitate Jesus' life course. Here is what the scriptures say about how he finished his human life on earth...

"After this, when Jesus knew that by now all things had been accomplished, in order to fulfill the scripture he said: “I am thirsty.” A jar was sitting there full of sour wine. So they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop stalk and held it up to his mouth. When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit."

When Jesus said "It has been accomplished!" he wasn't just talking about fulfilling the scripture about the sour wine. What else was he referring to?

The answer is recorded for us at John chapter 17...

"Jesus said: "I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do...I have made your name manifest..."

Jesus fully accomplished being a faithful witness of Jehovah even to the death. When we are faithful witnesses of Jesus we will also be faithful witnesses of Jehovah, like Jesus said further on in John chapter 17...

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. Father, I want those whom you have given me to be with me where I am, in order that they may look upon my glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world. Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

It is not our "label" that identifies us as "Jesus' witnesses" or "Jehovah's witnesses" - it is our Love that identifies us as witnesses of both the Father and the Son.

1 John 2 says "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

There are those who acknowledge that Jesus came as the Christ among many denominations in the world, and some who acknowledge that Jesus came as the Christ are not part of any denomination. When Jesus comes, he will sort all those things out. 1 John 2 continues...

"As for you, what you have heard from the beginning must remain in you. If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with the Son and in union with the Father."

What is it that we heard from the beginning? Love.

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”

Those who have love for the whole association of "brothers" ("brothers" meaning those who acknowledge that Christ came in the flesh), regardless of wherever those brothers may be found, are the ones who are truly witnesses of Jesus and of Jehovah.

"For God is my witness of how I am longing for all of you with such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. And this is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more..."

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

I am a witness of Jesus.

Jesus is also known as Yehoshua.

Yehoshua means "Yahweh is Salvation."

Jehovah is another name for Yahweh, Our Father.

Jesus said: "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."

Being a witness of Jesus and being a witness of Jehovah are not mutually exclusive. To the contrary, they are inextricably entwined.

"Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe because of the works themselves. Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father. Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son."

But that the Father is greater than the Son, even Jesus bore witness when he said:

"The Father is greater than I am."

I believe him. "Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness...”

"Phil. 2: 9-10 "a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow""

It is because I bow to Jesus that I obey his command to glorify the Father in connection with the Son. I believe Jesus' witness, and I believe that everything Jesus said is true.

@SeaBreeze, now I am curious, do you not believe Jesus' words that the Father is greater than he is? I am sure you must believe.

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

EasyPrompt

Hi aqwsed12345🙂

"I didn't see any specific arguments in your post"

Thank you for the compliment! I try not to come across as argumentative.😃

"the criticism of the church fathers that it doesn't coincide with your professed interpretation of the Bible, so therefore they must be wrong in every instance then too"

That's nice we agree on something! Yes, the so-called "church fathers" are wrong quite a bit. I wouldn't say in everything like you did, but they definitely cannot be relied upon as "beacons of light and truth" as regards shedding anything of value on the interpretation of the holy scriptures or even of a specific passage of scripture.

"So you are a non-JW JW?"

I don't believe in categorizing people according to manmade labels for the purpose of disregarding either their opinions on everything or their redeem-ability by means of the Christ. The Bible says...

"...there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, foreigner, Scythʹi·an, slave, or freeman; but Christ is all things and in all..."

...and also...

"...there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. However, not all have this knowledge."

But for the sake of a baseline for conversation regarding your inquiry about my "history", I was an evolutionary atheist educated in anthropology and archaeology who became an omniest and then a Jehovah's Witness and I have been presently labelled by the Jehovah's Witness organization as a wicked disfellowshipped apostate deserving of death and mentally diseased, since I obey God as ruler rather than men (meaning I won't listen to the GB when they teach baloney and falsely claim their baloney is from the Bible or when they outright lie and I won't listen to the local elders when they require that I "bow" to them ahead of God).

But I identify as a Christian witness of Jehovah God. Thanks for asking.🙂

"Maybe the cat took them away?"

I've never heard that one before. Is that one of the apostolic fathers, too? Or is that Socrates or Plato or something? Oh! I know! The Cat..."It's a Wild World!" 😃 I love that song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jta56wBl7SM

@awqsed12345, I notice you like to talk about Watchtower a lot but you're not quite accurate all the time about what they teach. The current teachings in the elder book and the "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" book read a lot like the Didache and epistles of the so-called "apostolic fathers". Reading the "apostolic fathers" makes me feel like I'm reading something cut-and-pasted from a WT article or another publication of the WTBT$. The more you quote the "apostolic fathers" the more it makes me think you might be what you are falsely accusing me of being - a sympathizer of Watchtower false doctrines at heart, at least in principle. The GB-Pharisee-types today seem to be cut of the same cloth as the "apostolic fathers", men who want to lord it over the flock and have the title and prominence of "fathers" instead of as true brothers in the congregations.

"But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ."💖