(On second thought, @AnonyMous, maybe you should stay away from "holy hand grenades" since you have issues with numbers...😂)
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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Hey, @AnonyMous, where'd you go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSlXGKearg
Maybe next time you should use the "holy hand grenade"! Lol!!! 😆
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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Hey, @AnonyMous, maybe you should go join forces with Eric Wilson from Bereoan Pickets. He also chooses to teach falsehoods so that he can get more donations just like the WTBT$/FD$, fleecing the flock by means of tickling the ears of those who join his group. He has women working like elders and teaches anybody who partakes can go to heaven. He is a liar like you. You guys would get along I think. I've spoken to him via email and you sound just like him.
Perhaps you are already acquainted with him?
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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Matthew 12:31,32
"For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come."
Mark 3:28-30
"Truly I say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men, no matter what sins they commit and what blasphemies they speak. But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.” He said this because they were saying: “He has an unclean spirit.”"
Luke 12:10
"And everyone who says a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven."
@AnonyMous, when you open your mouth, you reveal what is in your heart. Just like the wicked scribes and Pharisees of old, you accuse others of what you are guilty of - by your own words you are judged: dishonest, a false prophet, a source of "false light". You are a slanderer, just like your father.
"If the light in you is darkness, how great that darkness is."
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What is Self-deception?
by Kosonen ini googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.
it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.
and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.
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Proverbs 15:22 is talking about planning for practical matters.
Proverbs 3:7 in context is talking about trusting Jehovah.
"Trust in Jehovah with all your heart,
And do not rely on your own understanding.
In all your ways take notice of him,
And he will make your paths straight.
Do not become wise in your own eyes.
Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad."
At 1 John 4:1 in context, John told anointed Christians the following:
"I write you these things about those who are trying to mislead you. And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but the anointing from him is teaching you about all things and is true and is no lie. Just as it has taught you, remain in union with him. (1 John 2:26,27)
In chapter 3 he tells how to tell the difference between a trustworthy person and someone who is not trustworthy.
Then he said at 1 John 4:1 "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
The way to "test the inspired utterance" is not to consult with others as with practical things like in Proverbs 15:22. The way to "test the inspired utterance" is to consult with God by means of His Word and holy spirit. If the teaching of a person doesn't harmonize with what is written in the Bible and if it doesn't harmonize with God's personality as reflected in the Christ, then the "inspired utterance" is false. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true. You can consult a million people and they can all tell you something, but that doesn't make it true. (Take the "Kingdom in 1914" teaching for example - millions of JWs believe it but that doesn't make it true...)
1 Corinthians 3:18-20
"Let no one deceive himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, for it is written: “He catches the wise in their own cunning.” And again: “Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile.”"
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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stanlivedeath said: "Is dinner ready yet ?"
Haha!😁
The "great evening meal of God" will not involve literal birds. The context shows that here birds means angels. The rest of Revelation shows that the angels take part in the judgments against God's enemies.
Revelation 19:17,18
"I saw also an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice and said to all the birds that fly in midheaven: “Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of military commanders and the flesh of strong men and the flesh of horses and of those seated on them, and the flesh of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great.”"
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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PetrW said: "then in the context of Revelation, the angels will seal those 144,000. This will occur when the Revelation takes place."
No. The composite visions of Revelation take place when Jesus is enthroned in heaven. (He wasn't enthroned in the first century and he wasn't enthroned in 1914.) As soon as he is enthroned in heaven, he begins riding the figurative "white horse". He executes God's judgment by (1) kicking Satan out of heaven, (2) permitting the UNs attack on religious institutions and (3) gathering the 144,000 at the end of the 3 1/2 year time period for the replacement of human governments by the Kingdom government.
The plagues/trumpets/bowls of Revelation are all depicting those events at slightly different angles.
The sealing of the 144,000 takes place before the plagues described in Revelation begin. This is apparent by what is written at Revelation 7:3 where the angels are directed to hold back the plagues until the 144,000 are all sealed:
"Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads."
PetrW said: "If, Jesus says write to 7 congregations, then the number of letters is 7. It is not 8 or 6. In the same way, 7 angels have 7 trumpets and blow 7 times, not 6 times or 8 times."
The congregations are not literally "7". Jesus is sending the message to all the congregations and denominations that claim to represent him. The messages to the congregations are telling them that he is coming soon and they need to wake up. Most of them are teaching false doctrine or being naughty in some way ("Balaam", "Jezebel", "sect of Nicolaus", "idolatry", "immorality", etc) although he makes clear there are many faithful individuals.
The 7 trumpets are not literal, neither are the 7 bowls or 7 plagues. They are all different depictions of the complete judgment of God. There will not be seven different trumpet blasts or seven different plagues. They are taken all together to depict what will happen during the 3 1/2 years of the tribulation ahead.
Jesus has not cast the Devil down yet. When Jesus takes the throne in heaven, then he will cast the Devil down and the things written about figuratively in Revelation as regards God's judgment will have begun.
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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"You can’t simply claim secret knowledge by Holy Spirit, as the scripture point outs, anyone with discernment can learn these things, thus claiming Holy Spirit revealed it to you specifically is no better than the WTBTS FDS doing the same"
I never claimed to have "secret knowledge". Anyone can pray to God for holy spirit, and that He gives generously is no secret.
I am not ashamed of Jehovah God and His holy spirit, so I will continue to make the statement that it is only by means of His holy spirit that I can accurately understand anything in the scriptures. I will be very bold and say that it is only by means of holy spirit that anyone can understand anything in the Bible accurately. What you know accurately from the Bible is also because of holy spirit, not intellectualism. If you know that "God is Love" it's not because you are an intellectual. It's because you have experienced what love is and what it looks like and acts like, because you and others have been moved by holy spirit, the primary fruitage of which is love.
As I already mentioned, I don't care what the WTBT$/FD$ claims. Their claims make no difference to me. They think I'm a wicked apostate deserving of death. I think they make a lot of ridiculous claims. They can go jump in the lake for all I care. 😜🤣(That lake there looks like a nice place to swim anyway...)
"Other numbers in Revelation that use the exact same phraseology in Greek are 2 million scorpion-tailed horse-man hybrids, given your interpretation, they must be a literal number too, yet, nobody ever reported those things to be literal.
Interestingly enough, the original Greek text uses the same word for number (literally translated: to count/number) in the verse with 666, where the writer basically says the name of the beast is to count 666."
I already told you, it's not my "interpretation".
Genesis 40:8
"Do not interpretations belong to God?"
As regards Revelation chapter 9...
The "myriads of myriads" means "a lot".
The "locusts" are those of the nations who destroy religious institutions. The primary part of the attack on religious institutions will be a literal five months during the first part of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation.
The cavalry in verses 16-19 are angels, which is made clear from the context in verses 14 and 15.
In Revelation 13:18 - The number "666" is figurative. It means trying to fix the world through systems of men rather than resting on God to fix it. It means looking for salvation through human institutions to the exclusion of God and the Kingdom of Christ that will be set up soon in heaven.
What else do ya got, @AnonyMous?😃This is fun!😁
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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"most people"
"they stop making sense"
"proper hermeneutical review of the scripture"
@AnonyMous, I don't care what anybody thinks. I'm not looking for "followers". If something I share doesn't make sense to you, I feel bad for you, but that doesn't change the truth. I also don't care about Hermen and his nautical review, 😂😉😁whoever he is. I don't care what the WTBT$ publishes or doesn't publish. I care about truth and what God reveals by means of His holy spirit. Jesus said the truth would be withheld from those who approach the scriptures solely intellectually. He said he would reveal the truth of the scriptures to those who humble their heart and view God like a little child views a faithful, kind, loyal and trustworthy daddy. A little child asks their daddy for help when they don't understand something, and God, the Best Father, already told us He is willing to answer that request for understanding when we keep asking Him and don't give up.
"So, according to the scripture, if you take the number literally, only 144,000 will ‘survive’ a great tribulation."
That's not true. Here is what God's Word says...
Revelation 7:4,9,10
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel...After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.""
It says right there "a great crowd which no man was able to number" makes it through. If they were the same as the 144,000, then it wouldn't say "which no man was able to number". There are clearly two groups referred to in this passage: one has a number (144,000), one is unnumbered by man. It's not complicated.
"It also undermines the whole premise that post-tribulation in the WTBTS version of paradise there will no longer be any sin since only the 144,000 have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb."
What are you talking about? That there will still be sin during the 1000 year reign is made evident by Revelation 20:7-10, where it is clear some at that time sin against God badly enough to merit death. "Washing robes in the blood of the Lamb" is not a once and done thing. If a person chooses to follow Christ now, they have to keep following him.
Jude 5
"Although you are fully aware of all of this, I want to remind you that Jehovah, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those not showing faith."
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In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...
by EasyPrompt instill, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.
the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.
do they have to be jws?
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AnonyMous said: "Let’s take the text literal then, 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. So they have to be Jews? If you say they are literal..."
I didn't say Revelation is all understood literally, @Anony Mous. Here is what I said...
EasyPrompt said: "Parts of Revelation are figurative and parts are literal. The context and the holy spirit and the rest of the Bible make clear whether a phrase is figurative or literal."
Here are some scriptures that explain who the "Jews" in Revelation are...
Romans 2:28,29
"For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people."
Paul was talking to Christians in Rome. He called them "Jews". They were figurative Jews, not literal Jews.
When talking to the Christians in Galatia, Paul said the following...
"But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." (Galatians 4:26)
Again, he was speaking figuratively. Jesus said God could raise up children of Abraham from the stones if He wanted to. Here is something else Jesus said to the apostles who would be among the first ones anointed for the specific purpose of being kings/priests in the kingdom...
Luke 22:28-30
"However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel."
Jesus is the one who gave the vision of Revelation to John. When Jesus was talking about "judging the 12 tribes of Israel" he was talking about figurative Israel. Figurative Israel is all who decide to "wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb".
The name "Israel" means "Contender With God". Those who become Christians need to keep contending for the blessing. All Christians are figurative "Israel" in context in Revelation 7:4...
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel..."
The 144,000 are a literal number of Christians, a representative sample of all Christians.