hello watchtower monitors and people of the board....here's the game.. somewhere, in the united states, there is going to be an apostate showing up at one of your district assemblies, he will be sporting a rainbow wig and a john 3:16 sign.
inside the convention.. now now, before apologists and dissents come my way.....i got a protest permit to be on said premis, and also, once i wear the wig and show the sign....as soon as they tell me to leave, i will comply...therefore i cant go to jail(saaay all you want, i already have an "ace up the sleeve" on this, so guess what?
you're wrong if you even think otherwise hehheheheheh).
"I believe the John 3:16 signs were started by the fans of Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is a wrestler, although I don't know the reason why this scripture was chosen. Basically, Steve Austin's character is a total rebel and bad ass. Anyway, that's what I have been told about the signs."
Actually Stave Austin was making a parody of something started a long time ago.
hello watchtower monitors and people of the board....here's the game.. somewhere, in the united states, there is going to be an apostate showing up at one of your district assemblies, he will be sporting a rainbow wig and a john 3:16 sign.
inside the convention.. now now, before apologists and dissents come my way.....i got a protest permit to be on said premis, and also, once i wear the wig and show the sign....as soon as they tell me to leave, i will comply...therefore i cant go to jail(saaay all you want, i already have an "ace up the sleeve" on this, so guess what?
you're wrong if you even think otherwise hehheheheheh).
I was seriously considering running up on the stage and mooning the crowd at the convention in my city. However i have rethought it. The WT would want me prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I was ok with this till i interviewed a women about her work experiences as part of my work and she has been going through hell trying to get a job because of her criminal record. I'm not that hard core. I would be ok with some community service or a small fine but i can't afford a criminal record.
i read in one of stephen jay gould's last interviews that he found some inconsistencies between ge.
ch.
1 and ge.
One thing for sure the first chapter of genesis is wrong about he order of the appearence of life. We know for sure that birds, fruit and whales came long after land animals.
Who here can tell me why scientists think they can be so sure of this?
just found this on the watchtower website:.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_11.htm.
cross: jesus did not die on a cross.
I noticed in a watchtower i picked up that they had Jesus on a beam not a pole and the nails through his wrists rather than his hands. I remember something about being told that without his arms spread to the sides one large nail would be able to hold Jesus up being through his both hands. It made me think of a JW i found on a bible debating community who had conceded to a christian that there is evidence that there was a cross beam. I'll look up the post and post a link here.
Anyone else here the one nail arguement? Do you think that the watchtower my be conceding itself?
one of my sons is a really gung-ho jw.
here's a response i sent to my son after he sent me an e-mail about the recent publicity over dateline.
it couldn't get me df'd could it, if he turns it over.
I tried to read your letter with my father's eyes. You had me up untill the quoting JWs. At that point i heard a vioce in my head that said "where is is getting this stuff? He must have gotten these lies from apostates!" And then from that point he would disregard what he was about to sympathize with.
"even if an organized religion is formed with good intentions, it is only a matter of time before the organization becomes greater than the members.
once this happens, the priority of the leaders shifts from the well-being of the members to the well-being of the organization.".
(this quote from elsewhere inspired me to share an idea that i have had running through my brain with the intention of one day writing a book about.
"Does the following do a good job of saying what you mean as well:?"
No actually not at all.
"even if an organized religion is formed with good intentions, it is only a matter of time before the organization becomes greater than the members.
once this happens, the priority of the leaders shifts from the well-being of the members to the well-being of the organization.".
(this quote from elsewhere inspired me to share an idea that i have had running through my brain with the intention of one day writing a book about.
"Even if an organized religion is formed with good intentions, it is only a matter of time before the organization becomes greater than the members. Once this happens, the priority of the leaders shifts from the well-being of the members to the well-being of the organization."
(This quote from Elsewhere inspired me to share an idea that i have had running through my brain with the intention of one day writing a book about. This started as a reply to his post but then got out of hand)
This is too true. Organizations become organisms as they mature. That is why corporations are defined as "a body formed and authorized by law to act as a single person and endowed by law with the capacity of succession". A corporation is a organism. A organism that is recognized by law as a person. A person that can be in many places at once, and can have a life spans far greater than our's and despite having the same rights as you it can use them to a much greater extent. The body of any "god" has always been the organization of people that formed around the idea of the god. The body of christ was always the church. It wasn't god that moved mountains it was the humans that were inspired by the idea of god that moved mountains. It can sometimes be hard not to define the colony a organism and the ant only a cell.
Large corporations no longer sell products they cell an image. What does it mean for you to by our product rather than the next org's? You will "be cool", "hip", "beautiful", "sophisticated", or "intelligent", or you will "be excepted" and you will "know the truth", you will be "right" and "live happily ever after" as long as you infect others with the image, vision or message, the idea of what it means to give us your attention money and effort. The idea is the contagion. The history of religion is the story of contagions competing over the limited supply of minds to infect and effect so as to have them infect others. Each finding their niche within the ideosphere.
You don't cough when you have a cold because you have to. Colds make you cough because if they didn't they wouldn't have much chance of finding a new host and would make it no further. The colds that have found themselves in our generation have long lines of ancestors who all found hosts and effected them in a way so as to have them infect others. Out of all the effects viruses could have on their hosts they really struck gold with hanging out in the lungs and making their host's throat itch or filling the lungs with just enough liquid to force the host to cough and spread the message(the rna code). Out of all of the variations that spawned from the millerite movement Pastor Russell really struck gold with "Armageddon in 1914"+"preaching will bring about an immortal life in paradise within your lifetime." When the first world war started the contagion became an epidemic and by the time it ended it had already infected so many that it was able to adapt. People's rationalization created mutations and it was survival of the fittest interpretation. Further adapting powerful ideo-immune systems that were able to fight off competing or dangerous ideas.
A successful idea is one that has a greater than average chance of finding itself being passed on. That doesn't necessarily mean it is a good idea.
As a organism is made up of self replicating pieces of information called "genes", organizations are made up of self replicating pieces of information called "memes".
"meme: (pron. 'meem') A contagious idea that replicates like a virus, passed on from mind to mind. Memes function the same way genes and viruses do, propagating through communication networks and face-to-face contact between people. The root of the word "memetics," a field of study which postulates that the meme is the basic unit of cultural evolution. Examples of memes include melodies, icons, fashion statements and phrases." http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMIN.html
Do a search on the word "meme" and see which one "catches your eye", and has a good infection stratigy.
The idea has been evolving in my petri dish of a mind for a long time, actually before i even new what memetics was. I plan on getting my lazy ass off this computer and rereading "Gentile times reconsidered" and writing a similar but much more contagious memetic study of the millerite movement. I will have strong selection pressures to make my ideas more palatable to the non-exJW.
But then again that whole idea has to compete with "being cool".
i was half dreaming one time before i fell asleep last week, you know where your daydreams start to get more real as you get more sleepy.
i was listening to an interview with bill and imagining myself at the big assembly'n what it would be like to go back there this year, how i might get treated, who would recognize me, and whether i would bump into my dad.
found my self getting angry from what i was hearing in the interview with bill.
I was half dreaming one time before i fell asleep last week, you know where your daydreams start to get more real as you get more sleepy. I was listening to an interview with Bill and imagining myself at the big assembly'n what it would be like to go back there this year, how i might get treated, who would recognize me, and whether i would bump into my Dad. found my self getting angry from what i was hearing in the interview with Bill. So all the sudden in the middle of a talk i'm walking from one side of the coliseum to the other behind the stage i make a mad dash for the stage whip down my pants and moon the whole bunch! God that felt good! That got me thing'n i wonder if i could get away with that? My mine got race'n with ideas. Like Handing out flyers in the blue seats, where the naughty witnesses sit. But i would have to do so on the last around the end so the talk wouldn't get around much. Then moon'em.
Anybody got any ideas of their own?
i got a couple of lurkers emailing to me at the moment!.
anyway.... one of them has a question and we need the input of a boffin like alan f, or jt.. elderly lady, just got df,after 40 years of service, wants to know, now shes df, will the org still take her money that shes bequeathed to them in her will.?.
does she need to change her will to prevent the org from gettings its clammy claws on her bucks.?.
Think about it from their position.
She didn't change her will because deep down inside she knew it was the truth.
i just wanted to say that perhaps now is a good time for the silentlambs group to add a fight against the society's blood policy to their agenda.
i think the society's latest actions in response to their pressure could be considered a reasonable victory and unless the attack is broadened to include child abuse and blood, i think their 15 minutes could be up.. i see the molestation issue and the respect gained in media circles for the silentlambs group providing a "limited time" opportunity to use this issue as a springboard to launch another offensive.. the society's recent actions regarding child molestation make the issue increasingly difficult to convince the public and active jws of the need for future major changes to their policy.
valuable time spent on the issue of molestation and trying to force the society to bend on the last few remaining "demands" while probably hundreds of witnesses die each year due to lack of blood might be better focused in another direction.. i think the common understanding that witnesses should be able to personally decide their healthcare without influence and threat of sanctions or reprisals from the congregation will be much easier to form a more united effort against the society.
I think that would be a bad idea for Bill. It would make him look like more of an apostate then a childcare worker. Not to say he isn't both, but i could just see so many writing him off as someone with a chip on his shoulder.
