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  Can't think how they will respond

  by Giles Gray in

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  i've been chatting to the jws the past couple of weeks.the last time they called they showed me a video about a scientist who claimed that she had once been an atheist, but after studying with the jws she had changed her mind and now believed in an intelligent creator.

  what had convinced her was the process that activates the functioning of the lungs just after a baby has been born.after we had watched the video, the jws said that there are many people who believe that creation indicates an intelligent designer.in reply i asked them what they thought about the 'unintelligent' aspects of creation and i went into a few examples.at first they tried to write things off to imperfection due to adamic sin, but as the conversation went on they slowly realised that arguing 'imperfection' wasn't an adequate explanation for the points i was making.to cut a long story short, i ended up sending them a video via email where professor dawkins comments on an autopsy that highlights the impracticality of the laryngeal nerve in giraffes.i also sent them evidence of vestigial limbs in whales and a short article about biological atavism.in addition, i sent them an article that coincidentally was on the bbc news a few days ago about a boy in india who had a 7 inch vestigial tail removed.

  here is the article i sent them:-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3823461/the-teenager-7-inch-tail-18-year-old-finally-growth-removed-painful-sit-sleep.htmli'm really looking forward to seeing what they will come back with.

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  TheOldHippie

  As for the laryngal nerve in giraffes, please read Loennig's article, the question is also discussed in his beautiful book about giraffes.

  http://www.weloennig.de/LaryngealNerve.pdf
  
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  This may be a crazy question, but it popped in my head and won't leave. . So I gotta ask. . .

  by Miss Worldly in

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  ok, this probably applies to most faith systems that believe in any sort of afterlife, but i would like to know what sort of explanation the jw's would come up with for this little problem, you know, after armageddon on earthly paradise.

  sorry if i sound dumb, but it's been nagging at me for a few weeks and have to ask.. so, what if a young married jw couple are living their life, waiting for the big a, knowing they will be together in the earthly paradise, then very sadly one of them dies.

  from what i know, if a jw dies, that's it.

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  WT 2014 8/15 p. 29:

  QUESTIONS FROM READERS

  Jesus told the Sadducees that resurrected ones “neither marry nor are given in marriage.” (Luke 20:34-36) Was he talking about the earthly resurrection?

  The question is an important one, especially for those who have lost a beloved mate. Such ones may yearn to be reunited in marriage with their resurrected spouse in the new world. One widower said: “My wife and I did not choose to end our marriage. It was our heartfelt desire to remain united in worship as husband and wife forever. These feelings have not changed for me.” Is there sound reason for hoping that resurrected ones will be able to marry? Put simply, the answer is that we cannot say.

  For years, our publications have said that Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married likely refer to the earthly resurrection and that those resurrected to life in the new world will evidently not marry.* (Matt. 22:29, 30; Mark 12:24, 25; Luke 20:34-36) While we cannot be dogmatic, is it possible that Jesus’ words refer to the heavenly resurrection? Let us examine what Jesus said.

  Consider the setting. (Read Luke 20:27-33.) The Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection, tried to entrap Jesus with a question about the resurrection and brother-in-law marriage.* Jesus responded: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection.”—Luke 20:34-36.

  Why have our publications said that Jesus was probably talking about the earthly resurrection? That conclusion is primarily based on two lines of reasoning. First, it is reasoned that the Sadducees likely had in mind an earthly resurrection and that Jesus would have answered them accordingly. Second, Jesus ended his reply by referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—faithful patriarchs who are in line to be resurrected to life on earth.—Luke 20:37, 38.

  However, it seems possible that Jesus had in mind the heavenly resurrection. On what basis might we reach that conclusion? Let us consider two key phrases.

  “Those who have been counted worthy of gaining . . . the resurrection from the dead.” Faithful anointed ones are “counted worthy of the Kingdom of God.” (2 Thess. 1:5, 11) They have been declared righteous for life on the basis of the ransom; thus, they do not die as condemned sinners. (Rom. 5:1, 18; 8:1) Such ones are called “happy and holy” and are deemed worthy of a resurrection to heaven. (Rev. 20:5, 6) In contrast, those who are resurrected to life on earth will include “the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Can it be said of them that they are “counted worthy” of a resurrection?

  “Neither can they die anymore.” Jesus did not say: “They will not die anymore.” Rather, he said: “Neither can they die anymore.” Other translations render that phrase “they are not subject to death any longer” and “death has no more power over them.” Anointed ones who finish their earthly course in faithfulness are raised to heaven and given immortality—endless, indestructible life. (1 Cor. 15:53, 54) Death no longer has any power over those who receive a heavenly resurrection.*

  In view of the foregoing, what might we conclude? It is possible that Jesus’ words about marrying and the resurrection apply to the heavenly resurrection. If so, then his words would tell us several things about those raised to heavenly life: They do not marry, they cannot die, and they are in some respects like angels—spirit creatures who inhabit the spirit realm. Such a conclusion, however, raises several questions.

  First, why would Jesus refer to the heavenly resurrection when answering the Sadducees, who probably had in mind an earthly resurrection? Jesus did not always answer his opposers in accord with what they were thinking. For example, to Jews who demanded a sign from him, he said: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Jesus likely knew that they were thinking about the temple building, “but he was talking about the temple of his body.” (John 2:18-21) Perhaps Jesus felt no need to answer the insincere Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection or in the existence of angels. (Prov. 23:9; Matt. 7:6; Acts 23:8) Instead, he may have wanted to reveal truths about the heavenly resurrection for the benefit of his sincere disciples, who would one day be in line for receiving such a resurrection.

  Second, why would Jesus end his discussion with a reference to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who will be resurrected to life on earth? (Read Matthew 22:31, 32.) Note that Jesus prefaced his comment about those patriarchs with the words “regarding the resurrection of the dead.” That transitional phrase may allow for a shift in focus. Then, drawing from the writings of Moses, which the Sadducees claimed to accept, Jesus used the words of Jehovah to Moses at the burning bush to give added proof that the resurrection—an earthly one—is a sure purpose of God.—Ex. 3:1-6.

  Third, if Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married apply to the heavenly resurrection, does this mean that those who come back in the earthly resurrection will be able to marry? God’s Word does not give a direct answer to that specific question. If Jesus was, in fact, talking about the heavenly resurrection, then his words do not shed any light on whether resurrected ones on earth will be able to marry in the new world.

  Meanwhile, we know that God’s Word definitely says that death dissolves the marriage tie. Hence, a widower or a widow need not feel guilty if he or she decides to remarry. That is a personal decision, and such ones should not be criticized for seeking the warm companionship of a marriage mate.—Rom. 7:2, 3; 1 Cor. 7:39.

  Understandably, we may have many questions about life in the new world. Rather than needlessly speculating on the answers to those questions, we will just have to wait and see. But of this we can be sure: Obedient humans will be happy, for Jehovah will satisfy all their needs and desires in the best possible way.—Ps. 145:16.
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  Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  announcement from spain:.

  on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.

  please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.

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  TheOldHippie

  I hope you also turn your attention to one of the articles in the series, the one that tells of the sexual violation committed by five men - one of whom was a policeman - against a young female JW during the Pamplona festival this year, and which resulted in hundreds turning out on the streets protesting against the sexual violence against women in Spain. The trial is now held and is reported upon by the same newspaper.
  
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  Brother with a beard on jw.org!

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  ok, slight exaggeration: specifically, an official recording of the july 25th, 2016 midweek meeting in german sign language downloaded from stream.jw.org, (log-in required), includes a brother with a beard giving one of the talks:.

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  TheOldHippie

  So what? Beards on the platform is OK in many European countries.
  
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  You're fired!...Damage control in October broadcast

  by ab.ortega in

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  2. scandals

  this new broadcast features interviews with bethelites from south africa that were fired reassigned to the ministry field.

  i almost feel sorry for these people who gave their all thinking they would be taken care of for who-knows how many years.

  however they were let go in the blink of an eye.

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  For example Bethel Germany (=Central Europe it is called now) has a nursing home or department for the aged and infirm.
  
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  "Why Did JWs Ignore Princes Drug Additctions?" by Barbara Anderson

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  over a month ago, the associated press in minneapolis reported that counterfeit pills were found at prince’s home.

  some contained powerful opioid fentanyl, a synthetic drug 50 times stronger than heroin found in dozens of pills.

  these and other mislabeled drugs were found in luggage belonging to the late music star.

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  "It does not matter if the drugs are prescription or illegal"

  Oh yes, it does. You don't df someone on prescription, that is a no-no area to enter.
  
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  Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  announcement from spain:.

  on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.

  please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.

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  TheOldHippie

  Nothing there. But two important local elections were held yesterday, and they have much to say for the formation of a government in this country which now soon has been without a government for one whole year. So I guess that is wieved as slightly more important ............
  
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  Oops, I did it again! Flag placed in the KH: Chile 2016

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  my friends,.

  what has become now a yearly tradition for me: getting the videos/photos of the flag in chile for their national holidays.. this is the 2016 version, i believe the clearest example yet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94j3lmqx_w&feature=youtu.be.

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  TheOldHippie

  So what is the problem? The authorities demand a flag on the National Day, and a flag they get. So what?
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  At last something about JWs on a German news site.

  by Driving Force in

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  2. scandals

  for anybody who understands german.. http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/masha-16-jahre-zeugin-jehovas-article18689741.html.

  it is quite rare that a german news site actually puts something up about jws, after all they are insignificant from a newsworthy point of view.

  but i like the fact that they have put this up..

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  TheOldHippie

  Now at last she can do what she always wanted to do - og to the movies, listen to music, have a glass of wine.

  I wonder in what religious group she was raised - could not have been JWs if movies, music and wine were taboos.
  
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  How the org will spin the Midweek meeting about Child Abuse in Australia

  by tor1500 in

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  luke 21:11 says:there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

  but verse 12 says:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.

  you will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.

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  "I don't have the opportunity to look at "my" Meeting Workbook. I don't get one."

  How strange, considering you have a computer. They are easily downloadable or readable from jw.org. And by the way - the video in question was shown worldwide.