Since you are a woman, since you are obviously trying to hurt me, and since you are diabolically trying to twist the meaning of the beautiful word which is in everyday use, m'khashepah, you deserve nothing but what the Bible text calls upon you.
TheOldHippie
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The Bible Does Not Condemn Witchcraft
by Sirona inthe jws are against anything remotely pagan and they're certainly against witchcraft.
they say the bible condemns it.
scriptures such as exodus 22:v18 "you must not preserve a sorceress alive" (nwt) or as the king james version says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
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Fred Franz and door-to-door
by badboy infred franz once said about door-to-door work`for example,on going to a home paul might have entered in the front door and after his discussion he might have gone out the back door,and so he would be going door-to-door'.
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TheOldHippie
TheOldHippie wishes to inform the whole world that he is blushing for shame, as he mixed up his memory somewhat and produced a half-truth; his speedy excuse makes him hope this will not stick to his otherwise blameless reputation forever ...........
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WTS CONTRACTS NAVY'S WAR-FIGHTER MOTOR
by deddaisy incopyright 2001 pr newswire association, inc. .
pr newswire .
december 6, 2001, thursday .
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TheOldHippie
None of the links worked for me .
Could some enlightened US citizen please have mercy upon us poor uninformed Europeans, and give a short outline of what this really is about? Does the Society hold shares in firms or businesses, and is a business included here, which produces parts which are used for weapons or by the military? Is that what it is all about? Me, I have no hidden agenda, I just want to know, please? -
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WALSH CASE - Court Transcripts.
by nicolaou inparticularly for anyone who's read either of ray franz' books, the walsh case in scotland, 1954 is well known.
for anyone who's unfamiliar with it, i've reproduced an important section below.. the reason for this post is to let you all know that you can actually purchase a copy of the original transcript - not cheap though!.
microfiche copy 35-40. photocopy 180.00. you may obtain a copy from:.
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TheOldHippie
Not wishing to "soften" anything stated above, I can only conclude that neither Franz nor Covington had read their Russell (or their Rutherford) too good; if you would read Stafford's "Three Dissertations", where in Part One he discusses authority among the Witnesses, and Part Two, where he discusses Chronology, you will find that neither Russell nor in fact Rutherford demanded 100 % agreement on the chronology; conditions are far more strict today. Sure, Russell and Rutherford claimed their chronology was correct, but in The Watchtower, letters were printed which questioned it and critizised it, and some of these were left uncommented upon; also, you have statements in articles they wrote, that "If someones chooses to disagree with this, ..." etc. They did not like or enjoy the disagreement, that is not what I am trying to say, but there was no congregational action taken against those so doing - that is something belonging to the decades we are experiencing - oddly enough ......
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Fred Franz and door-to-door
by badboy infred franz once said about door-to-door work`for example,on going to a home paul might have entered in the front door and after his discussion he might have gone out the back door,and so he would be going door-to-door'.
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TheOldHippie
Actually, someone else said it during a discussion as a half-way joke, and Fred Franz replied that it could be a possibility.
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Questions On JW Child Abuse Answered - 11/1/95 WT
by winsome inquestions on "dateline" and jw child abuse answered -- wt 11/1/95 pages 25, 28-29 .
many jws have raised questions about the recent dateline program on jws and child abuse policies of the wts.
many feel the perspective presented was not true or accurate.
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TheOldHippie
Please remember this article was on "repressed memories", which are highly debatable, and not on provable abuse. I remember watching a television program, where a daughter accused her parents of having carried out satanistic rites against her, on occations where they could not possibly have done so, but her shrinks and social workers still said "Yes!" etc. In my country, a whole community was caught up in a frenzy, and the end result was that some 60-70 children should allegedly have been abused by 30-40 adults, including the chief of police, teachers etc., all dressed up in long black gowns and wearing rabbit masks while abusing the children in barns all aroung the community. Then, someone dared ask the question, "But can this be TRUE?" and it boiled down to no trial at all, with the possibility that perhaps one child had been abused. Around '95', "repressed memories" were a favoured thing, whereas nowadays you hear close to nothing about it. Articles, books, you name it, have been written on the subject, and the Watchtower article quoted says much the same as do the researchers on the subject, "handle with uttermost care!"
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JW Woman on Trial for Killing Infant
by BeautifulGarbage inthis article was in today's desert and pass edition of the press-enterprise (riverside, ca, usa).
it doesn't appear on their website.
i typed the article verbatim.
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TheOldHippie
I remember a news story from some 6-7 years ago. The Female World Championship in -- do you call it "Handball" in the US? - anyway, held in Rome, Italy. A Roumanian star player played a match on Friday, gave birth to her child on the hotel room in the same evening, threw "it" in the garbage container, and played a new match the next day .......... "All for the sports!" .....
You have mental cases everywhere, and although I have hard times trying to understand how a person could do such a thing, I am very sorry to see statements like "typical J.W.", "look what a cult does to people" etc. How many have not done this within Christianity, the Moslem world, Buddhism? Even in the hated-by-so-many Witness community, this ain't exactly everyday behaviour! -
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The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations
by TheOldHippie inok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.
a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!
.......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.
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TheOldHippie
Just a line. When saying, "Clearly, point 3 is the correct one", I said so on the basis that one would stick to the Society's theory as to the 144,000 and the Remnant. If being within the Society's framwork, then point 3 is the only one that can be correct.
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The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations
by TheOldHippie inok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.
a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!
.......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.
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TheOldHippie
I still stick to my point, as this is a "closed population" where no supposed newcomers are to enter except for those replacing the ones turning faithless, and then they supposedly must be old, too, when entering. But OK, the point, no matter what calculations you use, is that the figures were not so bad till the 70s or so, but that since then, impossible rates have occured. The rates will vary, as one asked here, but we have dealt with decade averages etc. They grew, as they would have been expected to, but then suddenly dwindled. There are three explanations:
1. A circuit overseer some years ago stated it "seems as if Jehovah is prolonging the life of each member of the Remnant". Well, I could have bought that at the time, but since then, Franz and Gangas and Booth and Swingle and Klein have all died, leaving us with only Henschel, Schroeder, Barber, Barr and Sydlik as the old ones, Jaracz as half-way so, and then the 5 newcomers.
2. The majority of the Remnant is constantly turning apostate and has to be replaced all the time.
3. There are only 1,000 or so "real" Remnant members left, the rest are fakes.
Clearly, point 3 is the correct one. If one then not chooses to let go of the whole remnant idea. Stafford has some very good comments on this in his book, I'll try to find them and bring them. -
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The Faithful? Slave Class Substitutes Calculations
by TheOldHippie inok, here are the faithful slave class calculations, incorporating their substitues and the substitutes' substitutes.
a bit dull and heavy (hello, larsguy!
.......), but based on population statistics and mathematics.. in 1935, there were 52,465 proessing to be of the remnant.
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TheOldHippie
Interesting, Earnest, but I must disagree with you when you state that: "In actual fact, you should base the 2% on the decreased number each year."
Why? Because it is the 1950 number which is the basis, and who die. It is the sum total who die, 2 % annually. In an average population, 1 % die annually, but we have here said 2 % because obviously, no children or teenagers are in the group. You are correct in saying that one must calculate 2 % of the number each year, BUT THAT IS CORRECT ONLY IN AN ORDINARY POPULATION. Here, we have a population which is supposed not to grow, not to have any new members, apart from substitutes. Do you get what I mean? This is a population where there are no newcomers, where the 1950 number is a set one, and which can only decrease. Therefore, since nobody dies twice, only once, you must all the time use the 1950 number as the basis. This is what makes these calculations so special, or different, when compared to ordinary calculations.
Who am I saying this? One who is a population statistician, and therefore humbly thinks he knows a bit about this. I might be wrong, don't get me wrong, but I cannot understand it differently than here stated.