tazmaniac, you are wrong. All are anointed. You must not confuse the GB members with the ones leading the various organizations or branches or legal depts or whatever. To be a GB member, you've got to be anointed. The "given ones" are assistants, but not members, and I think they have slowly disappeared and in stead emerged as leaders o fthe new organizations.
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Who's left of the Governing Body?
by YellowLab insome of you may recall the governing body pictures on page 116 of the proclaimers book.
that was back in january, 1992.. they were:.
carey w. barber.
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The Judge's Illegal takeover
by RR ini have often wondered why the bible students did not pursue a lawsuit against j.f.
davies, auerbach & cornell.
davies, auerbach and cornell.
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TheOldHippie
So you die in 1887 and look forward to an instant resurrection.
OK, you are resurrected - in an instant to you, because you have been dead and then time isn't moving - and say that "ah! it's nice to be resurrected now in 1887 and keep a close watch at world affairs. Where is Christ? He has been present from 1874?"
- "No, he is present, but this 1919, and the world is just recovering from a great war that started in 1914."
"A great war starting in 1914? It should have ended in 1914! The pyramid said so!"
- "The Pyramid is a demonic structure, it is demonism to figure out chronology based on it"
"That's not what they said at the last Christmas I celebrated before I died!"
- "Christmas is pagan."
"What? No way! The next thing you'll try to tell me is that The Holy Cross is pagan as well?"
- "It is."
And so on. All one's beliefs, one's whole faith, upon one's resurrection is shown and "proven" to be utterly false. What is then left of one's steadfastness, of one's truthfullness to what one thought were the firm principles of one's faith?
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WT Study 01/12/03: Linking Salvation to Literacy?
by Room 215 inyesterday's wt study's specious attempt to forge a link to literacy/reading comprehension/ study of the bible got me to wondering about the historic levels of world literacy.
i. it would seem that the people of biblical times had neither public schooling nor any widespread access to copies of the scriptures.
hand-copied scrolls from the sacred writings were in the possession of the elite ruling and clerical classes; hence the custom of public readings of scriptures at the synagogues on the sabbath, ostensibly to the masses who had neither the ability to read or access to these writings.
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So how important should theology be, then? You live a "Christian life" full of compassion etc. (not trying to be insulting or mocking or anything - I just mean you live a life towards your fellow men as it "should" be) - but you believe in a burning hell, or in an ever-existing soul, or in a Trinity. Suppose the manual said that all those believing in those things will be cut off and forever lost. And you cannot read. You have heard from someone visiting you or studying briefly with you that there is a compassionate God who wants all to be "saved" and that we should live such a compassionate life as stated ourselves. So you live a "Christian" life, but you due to lack of education or your remoteness or whatever have no clue as to the theology.
What then?
Is this what some of these parts boil down to, or I am just as ignorant as a foreigner must be, because his cultural background and genes are so different form the US ones that we are talking in circles around each other?
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Road Rage Kills JW; Should Mom Commit Suicide?
by Funchback inquite an interesting (and sad) story.
in my opinion, the victim's mom echoes the thoughts of many a jw, that being this: that jws are the only ones who know how to cope with tragedy.
what she says, in effect, is: "unless one is a jw, they would kill themselves over this.
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TheOldHippie
Just feel like quoting Jim Morrison:
"No-one here gets out alive."
Thinking too much about that isn't too profitable for your health ..............
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The Judge's Illegal takeover
by RR ini have often wondered why the bible students did not pursue a lawsuit against j.f.
davies, auerbach & cornell.
davies, auerbach and cornell.
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Rutherford closed the doors of heaven i 1935, but Russell had closed them in 1878, was it not? He stated that it was only those already in connection with the Bible Students by them, who had any heavenly hopes. I'll check up in Stafford, butthis is to the best of my recollection.
An interesting spin of the thought in my eyes, is the question about those were "fortunate" enough to die before the splintering years. Say you have 10,000 Bible Students (just imaginary numbers) in 1890, and then a good lot of them, as many were elderly, would die before 1918 and the problems arising then. They died "steadfast" and "in good standing with the Lord" - but what if they had lived till 1920 or so, would they have followed Rutherford, or would they have been discouraged because Russell died and left it all, or would they have followed those rebelling against Rutherford? A large portion of the then living Bible Students did. OK, we move on a bit further, you still have 6-7-8,000 remaining of the original Bible Students, and they look forward to 1925. That year comes and it goes - and in some areas, 90 % leaves. Say half or so leave altogether, and you are left with very few of the original ones. Some have died between 1918/19 and 1925 - what would they have done, had they lived till 1926? They didn't, so they died "steadfast" and "in good standing".
I have often wondered at these .... there were thousands lucky enough to die before the 1918/19 "thing" and before the 1925 "thing". They died faithful - but had they lived on, what would they have done? Their set of beliefs upon their death was close to 180 degrees different from what it evolved to be in the 1930s, and that again was very different form what it is today.
"Lucky be the one who dieth early, because he doth not have to meet with schisms or problems." "Woe unto him that haveth to keep on living, because he is the one who haveth to make choices."
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Road Rage Kills JW; Should Mom Commit Suicide?
by Funchback inquite an interesting (and sad) story.
in my opinion, the victim's mom echoes the thoughts of many a jw, that being this: that jws are the only ones who know how to cope with tragedy.
what she says, in effect, is: "unless one is a jw, they would kill themselves over this.
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TheOldHippie
With one child a drug addict, one down with cancer and childlessness, and one abused - I balance on a knife's edge, 24 hours a day, and echo your words, LyinEyes.
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WT gets Grampa to lie for them?
by refiners fire inheres a passage frtom a wt.
that of august 1, 1993. .
article : "jehovah, my confidence from youth on" .
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I also had relatives stating they were down with the Spanish flu after it had disappeared, so it is, as stated, possible that a flu in the nearest years was feared and thought of as being the Spanish one once again. (However, since this is an article and not an oral interview, it should have been corrected during the months it as being prepared.)
It must be difficult when the old-timers write about their steadfastness thru many decades, but then what they have been steadfast towards, no longer is believed .......... In a way, one can only have been steadfast for a couple of decades or a bit more at the most, because what was believed before that, was wrong ...... Rutherford wrote that the Image in Daniel's prophecy was a picture of Satan's organization, and that the Adventist view that it represented world powers, was a lie and utterly false .......
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WT Study 01/12/03: Linking Salvation to Literacy?
by Room 215 inyesterday's wt study's specious attempt to forge a link to literacy/reading comprehension/ study of the bible got me to wondering about the historic levels of world literacy.
i. it would seem that the people of biblical times had neither public schooling nor any widespread access to copies of the scriptures.
hand-copied scrolls from the sacred writings were in the possession of the elite ruling and clerical classes; hence the custom of public readings of scriptures at the synagogues on the sabbath, ostensibly to the masses who had neither the ability to read or access to these writings.
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No problems with that at all, jgnat, but then we perhaps agree upon the fact that there IS a manual, that it is the basis for "things", and that things done at least should be in harmony with the manual? Life and the world and situations change, and there is no "rule" for everything, but one's private programming shouldn't state "ELSE - GO TO" if the manual said "ELSE - DO NOT GO TO". It just sounded like, in the original post, that the manual wasn't worth looking into at all.
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Who's left of the Governing Body?
by YellowLab insome of you may recall the governing body pictures on page 116 of the proclaimers book.
that was back in january, 1992.. they were:.
carey w. barber.
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TheOldHippie
Milton G.
Henschel Theodore Jaracz Daniel Sydlik Albert D. Schrder Carey W. Barber John E. Barr Gerrit Lsch Samuel F. Herd M. Steven Lett Guy H. Pierce David H. Splane These are the ones now. 11, there is nothing stating they have to be a specific number. Henschel, Sydlik, Schroeder are ill, Barber close to 100, Herd, Lett, Pierce, Splane and Loesch realtively young, and Barr and Jaracz in good health. When someone goes out, as Ray Franz, there is nothing saying that one should be replaced, as there is not a fixed number.
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JWS Start New Religious Club
by Voyager ingood morning everybody, you all may have already seen this web, but i found that it was hidden behind another one.
the jws have got themselves a little club going on, with terms of agreement and the whole scoop.
check out http://jehovah.to/general/nazi/ when you get there, click on home.
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TheOldHippie
So either way it's wrong, you mean? If they comply with official rule, they are dumb bastards not able to think for themselves, and if they do something individually, they are dumb bastards not knowing what is good for them and not REAL Witnesses?