below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.
notice what is said about the fds.
is this true?
1. There are quite a few amateurs here, partly stating themselves that they have only a very vague insight into the NT Greek - but that does not seem to stop them from having very clear opinions as to why the statement of Loesch simply HAS to be wrong.
2. Perhaps - just perhaps - it would be better to wait until we can see the whole argument as part of a WT article within a couple of months, and not just as an incomplete sentence within very short and scanty minutes?
on jw.org there's a section which asks the rhetorical question "are you christians?"..
( http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/ ).
it has a number of points to explain why jw's are christians, and the third point reads:.
I think you are mixing up the baptism and the response you give after the baptismal talk. When you are baptised shortly afterwards, immersed in water, it is in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
just had a quick read through the new 16 page edition of the watchtower, and noticed an article about able who was adam's son.
the article said in part.
abel speaks to you today.
The rapidity of it all after the Flood really is the problem, Phizzy. Life's distribution after the Flood. Mankind's growth after the Flood, so that already 200 years later nations and cities are mentioned.
If saying the Flood was devastatingly huge, enormous, never seen anything like it, massive results all over the world - but not covering all of the Earth, the problem would be solved.
Millions of years prior to Adam doesn't matter, as long as it all narrowed down to a handfull of people and animals 4,200 years ago.
just had a quick read through the new 16 page edition of the watchtower, and noticed an article about able who was adam's son.
the article said in part.
abel speaks to you today.
Quite a few years ago there was a question not about Neanderthals but about other human-like fossils, and the comment was that if these were human, then they belonged to a branch of the human family that since then has disappeared. I guess the Neandethals would be regarded much the same way, they were human, people, but of a branch or race that has disappeared. Search a bit in the WTLibrary and you will find the quote.
just wondering what wt issue has actually put it down in print.
i know that some of my jw frineds already know about it, but they didn't tell me if it was an announcement at the hall or actually in the wt..
Since the only literature in which it will appear, will be the study issue of the Watchtower, and since the January 2013 issue is now available and the change is not mentioned there, the earliest possibility will be the February issue, and the articles therefore studied in late Spring. Since the writing and preparation period for articles is rather long (the 2011 annual meeting was covered close to a year after it took place), then either it will not appear in a amgazine till next Summer, or the change has been prepared for months ahead of the talks, and therefore the February issue could cover it.
it was an entertaining and incredibly sad experience... anyway!
here are some notes i have managed to take in between all of the crying and laughing as well as occasional mental breakdown.
enjoy!
Having a bad day, WTWizard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-flmy8ltada.
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cedars.
The VampireA fool there was and he made his prayer
(Even as you and I!)
To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair
(We called her the woman who did not care)
But the fool he called her his lady fair
(Even as you and I!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-flmy8ltada.
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cedars.
"a hank of hair and a piece of bone" ...that is what he thought of women"
Actually, it was Kipling who said that, and Rutherford was merely quoting him .....................
i'll just quote what some websites have put, and wonder if any pdf's of the letter or court papers on this.
most things stated bout wt have a papertrail, so this should too hopefully.
"a swiss physician, dr. fehrmann, at a public meeting on jan. 21, 1924 upset some people by asserting the bnai brith and the international jews had contributed large financial sums to the ernst bibel forscher (that is in swiss german the earnest bible students, the followers of the watchtower societywere know as.
Garbe discusses this letter and other pieces of "proof" in detail, and if anything is certain, it is that the statement that the letter was unquestionably genuine - is a very questionable one, to put it mildly. It is viewed as a provocation, and the wording sounds VERY strange to be put in a letter. What is strangest, though, is that when there was to be a retrial, the letter meanwhile had mysteriously disappeared and has been so ever since. I can have a look in Garbe and see if I find the pages in question. What it undoubtedly WAS, was a part of a very aimed campaign towards the WTB&TS and that it tried to link it to Masonism and the "Jewish Bolschewism" in order to put them in a bad light amidst growing nazism.
there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.
in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.
he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.
there are quite a few mistakes in the second and third post, as to what is Q and what is A.
