well guys, i've done it now!
our whole little town has a sale every june and this one was no exception.
while hubby was watching our sale, my oldest daughter and i walked around the neighborhood to see what we could filch out of our neighbors renderings.
I have always been leary of individuals who blame the demons to easily for problems.
i.e. There was a Sis who spent all day or days in the door-to-door work and the cold and rain, etc. Well she got a cold, and she said something like, "Oh, Satan gave me this cold to keep me from the ministry." I guess she never stopped to think that her own actions and stupidity brought it upon herself.
well guys, i've done it now!
our whole little town has a sale every june and this one was no exception.
while hubby was watching our sale, my oldest daughter and i walked around the neighborhood to see what we could filch out of our neighbors renderings.
I believe that if there are physical beings there are spiritual ones. Demons included.
I know that a lot of you are going to call this stupid, but here goes.
This to me made a lot of sense to me and many times it still does, because, for me, it just has a logical construct. It is not based on the bible or JW & WTBS thinking (at least I don't think it is, but it did come from a JW elder).
He said that the demons are just like us, created by the same God.
They have many same kind of likes and dislikes and friends and enemies just like we do, except in a differnet realm.
Some became so attached to women that they came to the earth during Noah's day and had children (Hey don't laugh, I read that in the Anchor bible dictionary just last night). That attachment doesn't necesarrily confine itself to people either. i.e. People remember decades later a favroite family pet, that can still bring a tear to the eye. We also become very attached to things. Who doesn't have their favorite old raggedy chair?
Well since they are basically ageless and don't die, their loves did die and/or other attachments had to be given up. Whereupon this unatural attachment for people and things was broken. Their love goes unrequited and that attachment/love still may prevail their thinking at times, as it does for us on occaision.
Likewise, when a person holds an item in their hand it draws back memories good or bad. Or when a person sees someone that looks just like a dead relative all those emotions come back, for some more strongly than others. It can apply to many things, smells, sounds, photograhs, family videos and other recordings, etc. We are incredibly complex creatures. Who knows what affect us.
Well when the demons are reminded of things all those things may come flooding back to them good or bad, in much the same way it does for us. If you happen to have an object that they "relate" to then you may become a target, for good or bad depending on their mood.
I know it sounds korny, but I thought I would share it anyway, but for me, it gets me through it.
I've got a lot of things from yard/garage/church sales. Many bargins.
I bought an old toaster from an Amish family for 25 cents. Found out within the week it's worth $50, not to mention more valuable to someone trying to complete a collection. We also got a jet black kitten from them. The family name for him is "Shadow." I sometimes I call him the Little Amish Bastard -when he craps on the couch, or
?Stolztfuss -the name of the family we got him from.
okay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
Bridgette I wasn't pointing at you when I talked about the violence against Muslims children.
I was specifically challenging TR and Angst's comments, and exposing their comments for what they are. They aren't jokes or figures of speech. They were mean, they were heartless, and they were cruel.
To even remotely hope that the WTBS -the JW org at it's core foundation, should suffer the same fate as the WTC, is and can be legally argued of fomenting a hate crime. Not only that it is extremely callous and in bad taste.
Say what you want about me. But I'm still waiting for anyone other than myself, to condemn the inferences made by TR and Angst. To sit back silently, is to acquiesce and make light their remarks.
what's next, burning their houses down, removing their kids from school because they won't worship the flag (Read/hear the VA USA
?Govenors remarks when he closely linked the flag and faith. He implied, as many nations do when going off to war, that patriotism has everything to do withs ones faith, and indicated that the flag [rather than ones God], is the center of that devotion).
Maybe we should throw rocks at them or make them drink only from the JW water fountains.
thewiz aren't you sidestepping the real issue here? namely the topic of this thread
I thought the point of this thread was to expose examples of callous/unloving/heartless remarks. Oh right, but that doesn't apply to cold tactless callous remarks about the JWs. I feel I exposed one that originated right here.
That's right I forgot, again to those several hundreds of millions who died at the hands of the church, I'm sure they've accepted it. "All is forgiven, my little boy lies rotting in the ground because of the cowardly way the church refused to challenge Hitler, but since you say, 'We're sorry', it's all OK now." -Sniff
Rhwanda was just a repeat performance. And what about Rhwanda, have they said they were sorry about that? I don't recall hearing it, but then I don't listen to the BBC 24 hours a day.
It is very clear the intent of some people on these forums. There is the potential for a dangerous element here, I suggest all should censure it, especially at this time.
okay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
This is a message I received from a friend of mine who is of the Muslim faith. I wanted to make sure he was OK. And expressed regret and apologized for our collective ignorance.
He says....
Thanks for ur concern. Yeah, there were few attacks in
brooklyn and Jackson height....I'm fine and safe but i
can feel the heat....Hope and pray situation will
improve soon....i'm so shocked with that horrifying
incident that i don't know even how to
react....Terrorists are nobody's friend. Terrorism has
never helped anyone. I know that i have not done
anything. I have not committed a
terrorist act, killed or harmed anyone, and i'm going
through the same pain and agony as anybody but i guess
i've to live with this also....There
is no place in Islam for such acts....Please pray for
the victims, their friends and loved one. May God
protect us all from harassment and danger.
Thanks once again.
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Bridgette, don't try to back peddle. It's clear from your post that your attempt is to discredit JWs and the WTBS. for one, you put Catholics, who as an org. has muredered 100's of millions, in a more favorable light than JWs.
Then we get posts from TR and Angst about how they wish the WTBS was right next to the explosion, or someone else said ya want to kick 'em, so I guess you guys want more blood? You minimize the value of those people's lives who died, when you say hateful things like that. But since I'm not part of the popular clique, or group of "respected" elite with cloat around here, I suppose I'll be criticised by many more so than those who wish for more blood.
My brother-in-law is in one of those Bethel bldgs. I've known him since he was a boy. He's not very intelligent, which I imagine is the way the WTBS wants them, but he is kind. There are about, what, 2000 people in those WTBS bldgs, and TR and Angst want/wish to add to that number.
TR and Angst, maybe someone who listens to these forums will take you up on your suggestion of blowing up or wishing the demolition of the WTBS. You could then become the originator of a hate crime. Treatment of the HQ is tantamount to an attack on it's people and their way of life.
I'm not taking this lightly. Maybe you want to attack all the JW kids the same way as some in NY and Australia are already doing to muslim children?
Figures little condemnation would go to you TR and Angst. You're on the in crowd
Kent says JWs disgust him every day and are perverts. I wonder will he call TR and Angst perverts? Probably not, because you guys are the heavy hitters and are part of the kiss-ass club.
You talk about the heartless remarks from the JWs. And you got TR and Angst who are apparently just as heartless. Hypocrites!
You judge JWs for their remarks, but I guess it's not very derilict for the "winning posters" here, to suggest that Bethel should go the way of the WTC.
okay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
Hey Bridgette before you start pointing the finger
-ever stop to think that the Catholic Church has been responsible for the murder of millions of people? While they were blessing troups on this conitenient to murder, they were blessing troups on another? Both saying that if they carried out thier duty by giving their life they would instantly go to heaven. History books, not JW and WTBS sources.
Kinda sounds like the barbaric KamKazie's doesn't it? Japanese were promised the same thing. Listen to the stories of Rhuanda a predominantly Catholic country from what I heard from the BBC. What did the church do? They abdicated any responsiblity for what any one of it's members did to contribute to this genocide. I heard it with my own ears on the BBC.
Not to minimize the tragedy and to put it in perspective, but 2 bldgs with some 50000 people is very small to the million or so who died barbaricly at the hands of their so-called christian brothers. Take 10 of those bldgs -thats what Rhuanda seen in death tolls. What did the world do by-and-large? For it's shear size and immensity it got relatively little coverage.
Ever stop to think that the individuals who dropped the bombs on Japan
were "christian" We're talking about 98000 civilians. Ask the Japanese about who the first real international terrorists were.
Well the sick people flying those planes had the same promise. Instant communion with God.
Remember people are instinctively drawn to their own "people" so-to-speak.
No doubt some people said, "I hope my brother/father/sister/brother got out." Did that mean they don't care about all the others? Try not to twist the facts, particularly your focus on JWs and the WTBS.
chasson posted this in another thread, and i think it should be brought to the forefront.
thank you, chasson for showing us all this link.. typical society response to tragedy.
so three people got out and got to brooklyn.
I believe in the bible. I believe that Noah's flood was an actual historical event. I can only assume that children died at that time.
And that Armageddon is coming.
And the people will be held accountable for not teaching their generations about God.
how do I deal with this dilemma? I try not to.
Because, Jesus prophesied about the destruction of Jerusalem did it mean he took delight in the plight of those people? Hardly.
Because it is prophesied about some future event called Armageddon does that mean, God will take joy in it? Hardly
Even Jehovah, does not delight in the destruction of the wicked. Of which he is the judge, no one else.
I find it inconceivable that there are JWs applauding this awful tragedy in any way. Maybe that's the impression that JW & WTBS haters get. But in all my years as a JW or former JW, or whatever the hell it is, that I am, I have NEVER heard anyone applaud human misery. Do they look forward to the destruction of this ungodly system? Yes they do.
BTY what does WOL mean. Witneses-On-Line? I think I've been there but can't remember.
I come here to get open mindedness but for the most part I see hate.
I had lived in RI for 27 years. Yet in the daily news email from WJAR I seen, 4 RIer's are suspected of dying in the attack. I guess that means RIer's are only concerned with the 4 RI's that died. That's just foolish thinking. No it's because it hits very close to home, that's all.
In Schindler's list, a jewish proverb is quoted Don't quote me, it's been a while.
"He that saves an individual saves the world entire."
3 cups of water are sufficient. It's the action that makes all the difference in the world.
I was sickened by those people who were cheering in the mid-east over what happened. I do not condone violent behavior. However, it did made me think. My first inclination, like many is to bomb the hell out of them. But it's not the answer.
These people for the most part have lived thier entire lives with destructive forces. They are saying, "welcome to the club. Now you know what it means to grieve over someone dying over a terroist attack. Now you can cry over your babies that have died, like I did when my baby died from a USA made bomb. You live with your games and air-conditoned homes, your pets that you feed, seemingly unaware or unconcerned. While we are starving, we are dying, we are suffering and we are people too, just like you."
I think it's a joke that many in the USA think that US bombs only kill bad people. Well in one instance the USA vaporized 98,000 people in one shot. Their target, japanese civilians. Not in just one place but in two, several days apart. If you were at ground zero in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wouldn't you feel you were attacked by terrorists? Talk about 2 bldgs. How about 2 entire cities and your entire way of life, gone. Everyone, not just some, you knew were gone. No good-byes, no nothing. THe USA calls that freedom?
Again let me reiterate, I do not condone this action or anything like it. I have shed my tears and expressed my sorrow and rage as all of you have. I am simply making the point that from the perspective of the individual, a terrorist can take on many forms.
BTY who was it that dropped those bombs? It was persons who claimed to be the all loving "christians"
You people are isolating a small group of people and blaming them for everything that's wrong with the world. It's the whole world society that is to blame. Not just JWs or the WTBS.
The USA has to take some of the blame for the world scene as it exists today. They aren't the peace makers they are just the arbitrators of violence. The finger pointer.
well they have finally done it.
they finally took our towers down.. the towers that i used to visit so much as a kid and adult.
my twin towers.. i was mobilized yesterday as part of the nypd as the city went into it's highest security alert.
Don't think the papers and news are not capitalizing on this event.
Jesus was an opportunist, he used the examples of the Pharasees and Sadducces to expose thier hypocrtical nature. He used the destruction of the temple 586 B.C.E. He used the flood as an example. He foretold the destruction of Jersulalem in 70. People used that opportunity in 66 to think back on his words and get out. They used his words to take corrective action in their lives for survival. They were reminded.
Was Jesus an opportunist, damn right he was. He used the opportunity to preach that the kingdom of God was here/near. And that all prophecy was fulfilled in him. People woke up. Especially the immediate disciples and later the 120, then the 3,000 and 5,000. It was and is an occaision that can be used to help people understand things, the world around them, while thier awareness is peaked.
Why can't the WTBS remind people, in the same way.
It's a free country, but with some of these posts you'd never believe it, at least when it comes to JWs and the WTBS.
You people are a constant source of unforgiving backbiters.
It's like I said in another thread. Take an "opposing" view on anything that appears to be even in the smallest way the general consensus on these forums, is to welcome villification. People tend to stick with and defend their own, any outsider is not welcome (anyone with an opposing view), berated, lambasted, raked over the coals, lacks intellegience. The whole gambit.
It's the constant berating of those who take the "unpopular" or "opposing" view that makes me think these forums are only to serve one cause. It's not truth, it's not to encourage, it's not to upbuild. It's to berate people who are simply and fundamentally different from you.
Although many of you won't believe it, I am guilty of this same behavior. I suppose I am just as critical/hypocritical on certain points. Maybe, it's part of my great awakening.
If they have a press release or not
you complain
they close their doors or open them
you complain
they help or don't help
you complain
Of course they are going to be naturally drawn to thier own and especially sympathetic to them. Does that mean they don't care about anyone else?
RedHorseWomen aren't you drawn to people you can relate to more readily than others. People who believe in your causes and fight for your rights. People you directly sympathize with? It's sociology not necessarily religon.
I've heard the reports of people saying "Oh, my friend works there, I hope they are all right." What about the other 10,000 people? Did, they imply by their response/reaction for their immediate friends mean they have no sympahty for anyone else? No it did not!
you people are a descredit to your own selves. you are rather counter-productive.
well they have finally done it.
they finally took our towers down.. the towers that i used to visit so much as a kid and adult.
my twin towers.. i was mobilized yesterday as part of the nypd as the city went into it's highest security alert.
see how biased you are RedhorseWoman. In your hatred you don't give the WTBS any credit whatsoever. You make it seems like they are cold heartless bastards. If a witness helps people coming over the Brooklyn bridge it is for alterior motives? You are really sick.
First, they know that most of those people, more than 99.99% will never become JWs. It crossed my mind that the WTBS would use this as an attempt of bible prophecy, and it is. But your attempt is just plain disgusting.
It is all in your lame attempt to completely villify the WTBS, for anything and everything.
There is much that has sickened everyone around the world about this tragedy and it didn't take this forum long to bring in their petty disagreements with the WTBS.
One thing that really sickened me was seeing those priests apparently giving the last rights, not that their intentions were not good, but did you ever think that that church as a whole hasn't caused countless deaths numbering in the millions throughout the centuries, and now they make an appearance of mercy and love? Tell that to Rhuanda. Tell that to the Jews in WWII. The church had the ability to step in and didn't.
This is a time to consider unity not division. But I am sure the tables will be turned on those individuals who commend anything the WTBS does to provide assitance.
you guys sound like your looking for a scape goat, and yet the WTBS in no way, note even remotely, has anything to do with this tragedy.
They provide a helping hand and all you can do is criticise.
It won't be the first time for the scape goat treatise, that's what Nazi Germany did to the Jews in WWII
i have been following the chandra levy case pretty closely.
did you watch the interview with connie chung?
i can't believe how slimy this guy is.
It's sad but he is not the only slim ball. Clinton was the same.
If caught, many in congress are that way.
What surprised most about the Clinton matter, was that many womens groups, if not all of them, still endorsed/favored him even though for all intents-and-purposes, he is a womenizer and misogynist, uses them for his own pleasure, cheated on his wife several times, is a liar, and has a sexual addiction.
the best movies i have ever seen are... .
cinema paradiso - the whole thing is just perfect.. close encounters of the third kind.
although, i don't believe in "aliens" i love the fantasy.. jaws -scared me out of the water from diving, we went at night to catch lobster.
The best movies I have ever seen are...
Cinema Paradiso - The whole thing is just perfect.
Close Encounters of the third kind. Although, I don't believe in "aliens" I love the fantasy.
Jaws -scared me out of the water from diving, we went at night to catch lobster. when something moved, other than a lobster, it scared the bejesus outta me.
Maybe it's a cliche - but I really liked Citizen Kane. Especially the line where the guy says he remembers seeing a lady on the ferry only once for a few seconds, but he's always managed to remember her after all these years, silly really. And the fact that something as small as a sled made all the difference in a life desired, and a life left wanting, that was sadly unfulfilled.
Schindler's List a story that really needed to be told. Excelleant acting by all. So sickeningly sad. Watching makes you think you are watching the real thing. Also, that redemption can come in many forms, and that hope springs eternal. Would not have been the same moive if done in color.
Many Les Miserbale' themes movies/plays/book/and the british musical soundtrack -except for the movie with Leam Nesson. I was hoping for better but it really was bad.
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One of the worst movie I have ever seen, has to be...
National Lampoons Senior Road Trip. It goes back to mid-90's I think. This film has no real point or plot. Kids doing things out of complete disregard. Drinking, taking drugs, disrespect for authority. Smash-'em up bang-'em up. talking to the president of the USA on education and the 'president" believes them even though half of them are drunk or high. Pointless destrcution that really has nothing to do with the story line. Crude.
Very gratuitous.
