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  Human Cloning is Here!

  by ThiChi in

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  the world's no.1 science & technology news service .

  cloning pregnancy claim prompts outrage .

  updated 17:15 05 april 02 .

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  However there has been problems with cloning. The animals live 1/2 as long (Dolly is dead...), and some organs are twice in size.............
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  WTS says you are free to do what we tell you

  by ozziepost in

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  the may 15 issue of the watchtower contains a discussion of the question: would it be advisable for a true christian to attend a funeral or a wedding in a church?.

  the tone of the wts view is set in the very first line our taking part in any form of false religion is displeasing to jehovah and must be avoided.

  nonetheless the last line of the article states whatever the situation, the christian should make sure that the decision will not interfere with his preserving a good conscience before god and men.. so apparently it's a personal decision for the jw as to whether he/she will attend a funeral in a church or not.

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  Before I DA’d myself, the WT allowed voting to be a personal decision (Question from Readers). When I inquired with fellow Elders on the matter, their response was “the person would still be considered VERY spiritually weak” if they voted. You can’t win!
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  Human Cloning is Here!

  by ThiChi in

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  the world's no.1 science & technology news service .

  cloning pregnancy claim prompts outrage .

  updated 17:15 05 april 02 .

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  The World's No.1 Science & Technology News Service
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Updated 17:15 05 April 02
  
  NewScientist.com news service
  
  A woman taking part in a controversial human cloning programme is eight weeks pregnant, claims Severino Antinori, one of the two controversial fertility specialists leading the effort.

  "One woman among thousands of infertile couples in the programme is eight weeks pregnant," Antinori is reported as saying at a meeting in the United Arab Emirates. If true, this would represent the first human cloning pregnancy.

  Antinori's colleague, Panos Zavos at the Andrology Institute of America in Lexington, Kentucky, had previously announced that the pair planned to clone a baby by the end of 2001. Both Zavos's office and Antinori's office in Rome refuse to confirm or deny the report to New Scientist.

  Antinori refused to reveal the nationality of the woman or her location at the meeting, according to the Gulf News. Almost 5000 couples are now involved in the programme, he said.

  If confirmed, the pregnancy will cause uproar. Many countries have banned reproductive cloning and most prominent scientists have warned of the high risk of severe birth defects, as well as very high rates of miscarriage. The technology is also opposed by many on ethical grounds.

  Richard Gardner, an expert on early mammalian embryo development who also chaired the UK Royal Society's working group on therapeutic cloning told New Scientist that such a pregnancy would be "grossly irresponsible given the current state of knowledge, even aside from any ethical issues".

  Embryo screening

  Antinori claims to be able to screen the embryos to reduce the risk of abnormalities but Gardner says: "There's no way you can do it - you could only spot gross changes in chromosomes or in the number of chromosomes." There can be single gene defects, he adds, and problems with imprinting - the latter do not just relate to malformation but are also linked to cancer.

  "The chance of a live birth of a normal child is very hard to assess," says Gardner. Studies on other mammals, including sheep, cows, mice and goats have had limited but variable success, he says, and there is a very high rate of embryo loss and early death.

  With access to an intensive care unit, perhaps one of the first 100 human cloning pregnancies would result in a baby that survives beyond the first few weeks of birth, leading cloning scientists estimate.

  Donald Bruce, of the Church of Scotland's Science, Religion and Technology project, says: "Antinori is conducting experiments on people, playing on their vulnerability. His cavalier attitude to the significance of the animal cloning experiments and the risks involved puts him beyond the pale of responsible scientists."

  Bruce says human reproductive cloning is ethically unacceptable in any circumstances as people have a right to their own, unique genome and a right not to have another's DNA forced upon them.

  Inevitable birth

  Richard Nicholson, editor of the UK-based Bulletin of Medical Ethics, says the report of the pregnancy strengthens the need for international legislation to ban reproductive cloning. Although the practice is banned in some countries, such as the UK, it is still legal in many - including the US, where the Senate is currently debating cloning legislation.

  "We need an international law to prevent mavericks like Antinori doing something that the vast majority of the public and responsible scientists say they do not want to have done," Nicholson says.

  Nicholson also highlighted the many failures in animal cloning programmes. "So long as there are Antinoris around, it probably is inevitable that there will be a live clone birth. But that clone will probably have a very brief and sad life," he says.

  In November 2001, biotech company Advanced Cell Technology in Massachusetts, published a much-criticised study detailing the creation of three cloned human embryos of just six cells each. Chinese scientists have also claimed to have created early human clones. The purpose of this research is to produce early clones for the extraction of stem cells, for medical treatments. The cloned embryos would be destroyed after a few weeks.
  
  
  Emma Young and Damian Carrington

  This story is from NewScientist.com's news service - for more exclusive news and expert analysis every week subscribe to New Scientist print edition
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  Asteroid to Hit Earth!

  by ThiChi in

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  .....in 878 years.

  asteroid could hit in 878 years .

  thu apr 4, 2:02 pm et .

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  Dino:

  That’s why we must make preparation(h) for this event right now................
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  osarif

  by somebody in

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  does anyone out here have the url to osarif's site?

  i'm looking for something i've read before and i think it's on a site with that name anyway.. any help would be much appreciated.. thanks in advance,.

  gwen

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  ThiChi

  No problemo....
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  Asteroid to Hit Earth!

  by ThiChi in

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  .....in 878 years.

  asteroid could hit in 878 years .

  thu apr 4, 2:02 pm et .

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  One thing is for sure: in 900 years we will all be recycled worm food! Unless, maybe.....just a thought, the Jws are right! (I think I will take my chances with the worms.....)
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  osarif

  by somebody in

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  does anyone out here have the url to osarif's site?

  i'm looking for something i've read before and i think it's on a site with that name anyway.. any help would be much appreciated.. thanks in advance,.

  gwen

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  ThiChi

  In the member's area I got this: http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
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  Asteroid to Hit Earth!

  by ThiChi in

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  .....in 878 years.

  asteroid could hit in 878 years .

  thu apr 4, 2:02 pm et .

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  .....in 878 years

  Asteroid Could Hit in 878 Years
  Thu Apr 4, 2:02 PM ET
  By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

  WASHINGTON - A new look at an asteroid orbiting the sun shows it could possibly smash into the Earth with the explosive force of millions of tons of TNT. But experts say the potential impact is still 878 years away, time enough for the speeding space rock to alter its course.

  Named 1950 DA, the asteroid — six-tenths of a mile wide — is the most threatening to the Earth of all of the known large asteroids, but the odds are only about one in 300 that it would impact the planet, researchers said Thursday in the journal Science.

  "One in 300 is pretty long odds," said Jon D. Giorgini, a scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and the first author of the study. "I'm not personally going to worry about. It is so far in the future that lots of things could change."

  Tom Morgan, chief scientist of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's small planet program, said there are approximately 1,000 asteroids bigger than six-tenths of mile that can pass near the Earth in their orbit of the sun. About 580 have been found and their orbits plotted. Of these, only 1950 DA represents a possible threat, and that is centuries in the future. Morgan said NASA (news - web sites) continues an effort to identify all the other large asteroids that pass near Earth.

  "It is my great hope that we don't find any that are greater threats," Morgan said.

  If 1950 DA did hit the Earth, said Giorgini, it would have planetwide effects, setting off fires, changing the weather and perhaps creating immense tidal waves. But it would not be a planet killer like the asteroid thought to have snuffed out the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago. That asteroid was about 16 times larger than 1950 DA, he said.

  In any case, said Giorgini, if scientists determine in the coming centuries that 1950 DA does represent a threat, there'll be plenty of time to take action.

  "This is not an urgent thing," said Giorgini. "We can spend a century thinking about it, another century deciding who is going to do something and then another century figuring out what to do. Three hundred years from now — we can't even imagine how they will handle the problem."

  Asteroid 1950 DA was first discovered on Feb. 23, 1950, but then not noted in astronomy logs again for decades. It was rediscovered in 2000 and in March 2001 whizzed within about 77 million miles of Earth, giving astronomers a chance to gather visual and radar readings.

  From that, the astronomers projected the orbital path 1950 DA would take on its next 15 near passes of the Earth — over a period covering nearly nine centuries.

  For the 15th near pass, on March 16, 2880, the analysis showed it was mathematically possible, though unlikely, that the asteroid could hit the Earth.

  "What we are predicting is like figuring out a 15-bank shot in a game of pool," said Giorgini. "We can predict the first 13 banks really well, but it is the last few that we need to know more about."

  More observations and perhaps close-up views will improve the accuracy of the prediction.

  "Once we know more about the physical properties of the asteroid — what it's made of and how it spins — then we can refine that 15th bounce. But it may take decades to get that kind of information," said Giorgini.

  He said the highest probability is that the asteroid in the year 2880 will miss the Earth by about 180,000 miles — a distance closer than the 230,000-mile orbit of the Moon around the Earth.

  But the range of mathematical probabilities also include a possible impact.

  The asteroid's orbit carries it around the sun every 2.2 years. It passes within 77 million miles of the sun and then loops back into space, passing Mars' orbit and reaching a point some 241 million miles from the sun. In its endless wandering through space, it only infrequently passes near the Earth.

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  Ancient Egypt and the Isrealites

  by MrMoe in

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  ok, moe gets serious, in a serious mood.. how accurate is the bible as a history book?

  who knows, generally accurate in parts.

  25-32 pharaoh basically makes joseph a holy man and.... 33 and now let pharaoh look for a discerning and wise man and put him in charge of the land of egypt.

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  What beliefs are you talking about? Not to steal, murder, etc., I agree, they are the same. However, religion wise, the Jews alone were monotheistic.....true?

  Also, Joseph did not, as far as I can tell, have a part in writing the Tora for Israel, that came some 600 years later under Moses (hence, the mosaic laws).
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  I DO NOT BELIEVE IT i am in shock

  by QUEENIE in

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  the local jw elders are kissin our asses to try to get us back into the fold---membership must be really really low to resort to this -- queenie is in a state of shock....lov ya ((((hugs)))) they corner us at the local bus transit cuz it is public and not our private residence !!!!

  jwa will do anything wont they>>>>

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  ThiChi

  What are you going to do????