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Posts by ThiChi
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48Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?
by sleepy in(not, ray franz owes us an apology) .
(ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?
this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.
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Does Ray Franz owe us an apology?
by sleepy in(not, ray franz owes us an apology) .
(ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?
this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.
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ThiChi
I think we need an apology from you for the part you played while a JW!
Ray forsook the good life to stand up for what is right. Thank him, dont spank him!
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New "Bloodless Medicine Center"
by ThiChi infor what its worth........... .
methodist hospital opens bloodless medicine centeradvanced, transfusion-free alternatives allow patients to avoid blood transfusions during hospital stays.
arcadia, calif., july 30 /prnewswire/ -- methodist hospital of southern california has implemented a new program to conserve blood and avoid the use of transfusions whenever possible.
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ThiChi
minimus:
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.......it never ends!
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New "Bloodless Medicine Center"
by ThiChi infor what its worth........... .
methodist hospital opens bloodless medicine centeradvanced, transfusion-free alternatives allow patients to avoid blood transfusions during hospital stays.
arcadia, calif., july 30 /prnewswire/ -- methodist hospital of southern california has implemented a new program to conserve blood and avoid the use of transfusions whenever possible.
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ThiChi
For what its Worth...........
Methodist Hospital Opens Bloodless Medicine Center
Advanced, Transfusion-Free Alternatives Allow Patients to Avoid Blood Transfusions During Hospital Stays
ARCADIA, Calif., July 30 /PRNewswire/ -- Methodist Hospital of Southern California has implemented a new program to conserve blood and avoid the use of transfusions whenever possible. "In essence, we have created a center for blood conservation and transfusion alternatives," says Alexander Perez, manager of the Bloodless Medicine Center.
Today, an increasing number of people seek alternatives to the use of blood products. Some individuals are concerned with the safety of the nation's blood supply, while others are precluded from blood transfusions because of ethical or religious convictions. "Whatever the reason, Methodist Hospital supports our patients' choice and right to receive medical and surgical services without the administration of blood or blood products," says Perez. "We've identified a growing panel of physicians who are dedicated to upholding patients' wishes and are experienced in providing a variety of treatments that avoid transfusions."
Bloodless medicine is a state-of-the-art approach to medical and surgical care designed to promote blood conservation and, when necessary, avoid blood transfusions. This is possible through the use of pharmaceuticals to increase red cell production, increase blood volume, reduce bleeding and enhance blood clotting. Surgical devices and sophisticated equipment (for example, lasers, argon beam coagulators, electrocautery) help stem off bleeding during surgical procedures. Specialized equipment like the Cell Saver salvages lost blood, cleans it, oxygenates it and re-administers it back to the patient in a closed circuit. Anesthetic techniques (e.g., hypotensive anesthesia and acute normovolemic hemodilution) are used to reduce blood loss during surgery.
"There are many techniques and methods that can be employed to conserve blood and avoid transfusions," explains Perez. "The key is a team approach to conserve blood and to have the patient serve as his own blood bank."
Services offered by the Methodist Bloodless Medicine Center cover medical and surgical care over a wide variety of disciplines, including cardiothoracic surgery, gastroenterology, oncology, and orthopedics, among others.
"Bloodless medicine can be viewed as the revolution of today and may well be the standard of care of tomorrow," says Dr. Hani Sami, medical director of the Bloodless Medicine Center. "By avoiding transfusions, you are not introducing an immune suppressor into the patient's body. The result is shorter lengths-of-stay in both intensive care immediately following surgery and in less acute settings."
Methodist Hospital, founded in 1903, is a 450-bed, not-for-profit hospital serving the central San Gabriel Valley. Services provided include comprehensive acute care such as medical, surgical, perinatal, pediatrics, oncology, intensive care (neonatal and adult), and complete cardiovascular services, including open-heart surgery. Methodist Hospital is fully accredited by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations.
# # # Case History: Bloodless Option Keeps Newborn Alive and Healthy Methodist Hospital's Bloodless Medicine Program Offers Advanced Transfusion-Free Option
Arcadia, CA -- July 30, 2002 -- Pregnancy and the anticipation of parenthood with the expectation of delivering a healthy baby are usually some of life's most joyful moments.
However, if a pregnancy takes a turn for the worse, the feeling of nervous anticipation can be absolutely mind-boggling. That's what happened to Graciela and Rigoberto Medina when they were expecting baby Aldo.
Graciela had experienced a normal pregnancy until her 28th week when she developed high blood pressure, also called pregnancy induced hypertension, a condition that could not only threaten the baby's life, but Graciela's as well.
At that point she was admitted to Arcadia's Methodist Hospital to alleviate the situation. A fetal monitor showed that the baby was in distress and needed to be delivered immediately. Graciela and Rigoberto knew that a full-term pregnancy was 40 weeks and that their baby would be born 12 weeks early, however they had no other choice. When baby Aldo was delivered, he weighed just over two pounds.
Aldo was immediately cared for in Methodist's Neo-Natal Intensive Care Unit and was found to have Anemia of Prematurity, a drop in his hemoglobin and hematocrit counts. Administering a blood transfusion usually is standard for treating this condition, however, because the Medinas are Jehovah's Witnesses, they expressed a firm desire not to have the child transfused, due to their religious beliefs.
Both Federal and California State laws impose certain limitations on a physician's ability to withhold blood transfusions for children when there are no alternatives. However, because Methodist Hospital has a dedicated Bloodless Medicine Center with experienced physicians, this potentially complicated situation wasn't a problem.
Bloodless medicine is a state-of-the-art approach to medical and surgical care designed to promote blood conservation and, when necessary, avoid blood transfusions. This is possible through the use of pharmaceuticals to increase red cell production, increase blood volume, reduce bleeding and enhance blood clotting.
In baby Aldo's case, his physicians, Neonatalogists Dr. Ernesto S. Gangitano and Dr. John Vogt, and the Neo-Natal Intensive Care team worked diligently with alternatives to avoid a blood transfusion by stimulating his red cell production. They used iron and erythropoietin to help Aldo's body create its own blood supply. In addition, further conservation techniques included limiting the amount of blood draws and implementing the use of micro sampling for any blood tests.
"There are risks with using blood," says Dr. Gangitano, "and we try to avoid transfusing our little patients whenever possible. In Aldo's case we knew we needed to conserve every drop of blood. One of the ways we did this is by delaying the clamping of the umbilical cord. This allows the baby to receive his own blood without losing it to the placenta."
Baby Aldo responded well to these techniques and today he is a thriving five month-old who is discovering and enjoying all the wonders of the world. His parents are thrilled that experienced physicians at Methodist Hospital's Bloodless Medicine Center were there to help when they needed it most.
Methodist Hospital, founded in 1903, is a 450-bed, not-for-profit hospital serving the central San Gabriel Valley. Services provided include comprehensive acute care such as medical, surgical, perinatal, pediatrics, oncology, intensive care (neonatal and adult), and complete cardiovascular services, including open-heart surgery. Methodist Hospital is fully accredited by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations.
SOURCE: Methodist Hospital of Southern California
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JAH REASONS WITH DICTATORS OF SODOM
by You Know inpeter once wrote concerning paul's writings, saying: "in them, however, are some things hard to understand" that being the case, it is understandable why jehovah opened his long-running dialogue with israel, through isaiah, by saying: "my own people have not behaved understandingly.
" further, in that 1st chapter, at verse 10, jehovah addresses the leaders of his people saying: "hear the word of jehovah, you dictators of sodom.
give ear to the law of our god, you people of gomorrah.
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ThiChi
Two wrongs don't make a right!
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Question from a newbie
by scorpionking inhello everybody.... i was disfellowshipped about 8 years ago at the age of 19.i was raised in the truth by my mother.my father was a non-believer.i willfully left of my own free will.to this day i still believe it's the truth.i've got a question for all you doubters...if the wts was truly in it just for the money,then why the hell would they be so strict?
?if they wanted millions upon millions of members,then why not loosen up the requirements a little?
?why not allow gays like other churches?to me,the fact that the organization is growing with requirements as strict as they are says something.and about the child abuse issue...remember ancient israel had some pretty corrupt priests and leaders but jehovah still claimed them as his people.just because the elders fuck up doesn't mean the whole organization is bad,right?anyway if you ask me i place the blame on the abused kids' parents and the elders.why the hell didn't the parents go to the police?fuck the elders.i'll tell you what...if i was in the truth again and a witness touched my 5 year old daughter the last place i would go would be to the elders.i'd be headed straight for my gun cabinet or the police.any thoughtful answers would be appreciated.
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ThiChi
Read Ray Franz two books and tell me what you think.........
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JAH REASONS WITH DICTATORS OF SODOM
by You Know inpeter once wrote concerning paul's writings, saying: "in them, however, are some things hard to understand" that being the case, it is understandable why jehovah opened his long-running dialogue with israel, through isaiah, by saying: "my own people have not behaved understandingly.
" further, in that 1st chapter, at verse 10, jehovah addresses the leaders of his people saying: "hear the word of jehovah, you dictators of sodom.
give ear to the law of our god, you people of gomorrah.
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ThiChi
"The theology behind the Trinity is sound and Biblically based" lol
Read, "When Jesus became God." The Apostolic Fathers for the first 300 years did not believe in a Trinity.
And the Catholics even admit it was not a teaching in the first century (New Catholic Encyclopedia XIV p. 296.)
Edited by - thichi on 29 July 2002 16:50:10
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Judicial Hearing-Elders Afraid
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ThiChi
Does any one here think that Bill is going to the KH and being welcomed and encouraged? Why put yourself under that kind of stress? Why stay? Why wish Bill to do something that you did not choose for yourself and your situation? I want whats best for Bill and his family so he can then carry on....
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Judicial Hearing-Elders Afraid
by silentlambs inhttp://community.webshots.com/photo/44722558/44722772xoorvs
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ThiChi
Haaa, but Dfing should be the only alternative? It is the damage control after you are expelled that matters. As an elder, I saw many get Dfed and then they were painted much worse than the truth was. And then, to top it off, the Dfed can not defend the reasons they were "out."
Thats why I decided to DA myself, I had the last word. I mailed my letter to all the friends I could think of. Even today, I have some that approach me and tell me that they respect my reasons for leaving and "putting it all on the table."
I used the stumbled defense, and I am not considered an Apostate in my area. In fact, some keep in touch from time to time to tell me I am sorely missed. Some tell me that when gossip starts about me, they point to my letter for the real reasons that I left. Some now think the Elders in my hall are "liars" because they do not visit me, and they say they do!. Sweet!
Whats wrong "OutNfree," you don't want Bill to be "Outnfree?" What is best for Bill and his family?
Or, do we just want to make a statement at Bills expense? Bills great work will carry on no matter what state the Jws place him in. I do want to see what is best for him and his family, in the long run. Anyone who thinks that it is hanging out with the Dubs and being subjected to all this Bull chit is crazy, IMHO.
Edited by - thichi on 25 July 2002 13:34:29
Edited by - thichi on 25 July 2002 13:40:28
Edited by - thichi on 25 July 2002 13:42:18
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Judicial Hearing-Elders Afraid
by silentlambs inhttp://community.webshots.com/photo/44722558/44722772xoorvs
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ThiChi
Greetings
SYN:
1. Bill can see what the WT is. Why stay?
2. Well, IMHO, Bill will get Dfed. It is just a matter of time. Why give the Elders the last word and action? Once he is Dfed, the worse will be painted of him by the elders and , believe me, more "sins" will be added to the list of his current "sins" to justify the DF state (look at what happened to Ray Franz). If he writes a DA letter with his reasons, he paints the picture for his departure, not the elders. Bill will have the last word and say.
3. He will be painted an apostate if he is DF. However, if Bill makes clear in his DA letter that he has no issues with the doctrinal aspects of the WT but is "stumbled" by the unscriptural actions of those around him on policy issues, then he will mitigate most of the ill effects. Even Jesus called the stumbled "my sheep."
The question is not if Bill will get expelled, but when and under what conditions. I say the DA way will give him a little more room to get his message out.
Edited by - thichi on 25 July 2002 13:8:37