Defender:
Warmongers? Is it your Christian duty to assist your neighbor if they are being killed? If you value life you will fight evil.
Edited by - thichi on 6 September 2002 16:26:46
Posts by ThiChi
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49To Amazing and Others re Iraq
by Defender inin reply to your posts below, i thought a new post is merited.
it is really outstanding the transformation of persons who were associated with jws from neutral subjects to outright warmongers, especially those who used to profess brotherhood with christ.
while everyone is entitled to their opinions on matters of world politics, but to foster and promote bloodshed and destruction in the name of peace and pre-emptive defense runs jarringly against the grain of anything called christian.. .
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
I would like to compliment all on a truly civil, informative debate. Good points made all around!
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
"Could it be that they are under oppresive regimes and ruled by m egalomanical despots.."
BINGO!
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
Historically, there is a point to be made. Jews do have a claim, a very old and historic claim. The time between 70AD and the late 1800's, as history shows, the land was desolate and mostly uninhabited. The Jews, who set out to rebuild the area, brought prosperity to the land.
Citizenship was offered and some took advantage and are now full citizens. If ever there was a case to restore a displaced people, then Israel has a good case too.
I agree the situation is a human tragedy...........
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
Simon, I respectfully part company with your viewpoint on "who was there first. Hope this information helps:
The Real history is, that until the defeat of the Ottoman Turkish Empire in World War I, there was no such geopolitical entity called Palestine, no Arab state ever lived on this soil, and no National claim was ever made to that Country by any group, other than the Jews!
Between the expulsion of the Jews, from their Land by the Roman Empire in 70 Ad, to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1917, by the British Army, only Empires controlled the land. There was never in history a state called Palestine.
The Palestinians are not a biblical people. They came from the
surrounding Arab countries in the late 1800s! . Only the Israel had a state there. Until the 1960's, ALL ARABS referred to this area, as a province of Greater Syria.If you claim that the "Palestinians" are a "People" and Israel is their land, then tell me this:
Who was the first "king" or "president" or "dictator" of Arab Palestine?? (If you say Arafat, then you admit that their history is very short).
What was their national anthem?
What was their national flower?
You cannot answer these, because THERE NEVER WAS SUCH A THING AS A PALESTINIAN ARAB NATION.
It is a hoax that has been promulgated since 1964 as a propaganda device. The name "Palestine" was the name the conquering Romans gave the ancient Land of Israel, so as to obliterate the JEWISH presence in Israel!
The Palestinians have nothing to do with the name Palestine. The real Palestinians were the ancient Philistines. The Philistines were not Arabs or Muslims and were not descendants of Ishmael. The Philistines were Israelis ancient enemy in biblical times. They came to Israel from where Greece is today in biblical times.
After the Romans defeated Israel in 70 Ad, the Romans changed the name from Israel to Philistine. The Romans also renamed Judea and Samaria (West Bank today) to "Palestina." The Palestinians are really Egyptians and Syrians.
95 percent of the Palestinians in Israel today, came from Egypt and Syria in the late 1800s.
Before 1948, Palestinians referred to themselves as greater Syrian Arabs.
The Palestinians never held sovereignty over any land before 1948.
To make it very simple, Please tell me one Palestinian President before 1948.
You cant, because there is no such thing as a Palestinian people. There really other Arabs from Egypt and Syria. Despite being conquered and controlled by the Romans,
Crusaders, Turks and numerous others.Only TWO nations have ever existed there in the last 2,000 years. Who are they? Ancient "Israel" and Israel re-established in 1948! To the Arab people as a whole no such entity as "Palestine"ever existed in history. There was certainly never an ancient Palestinian Arab nation!
Archeologists to this day, continue to dig up artifacts with Hebrew writing, not some fictitious "Palestinian" or even Arabic text! So when the Arabs speak of an historical "Palestinian people," this is a lie and they know it! The
Land of Israel was virtually uninhabited when the Jews began their return ["Zionist Movement"] Jerusalem was never in history an Arab capital. There is not one single mention of Jerusalem in the Koran.Only the Jews have had Jerusalem as there capital. David and Solomon built up Jerusalem. From 1948 to 1967, when the Arabs occupied Israeli East Jerusalem, the Arabs kicked out all
the Jews from East Jerusalem, burned 58 temples, built bathrooms next the to wailing Wall and prevented Jews from Praying at the Wailing Wall.Only when Israel liberated Jerusalem in 1967, was Jerusalem a free city.
And most importantly, [the story] that Muhammad flew from Heaven from the temple mount. This is the biggest lie in history. It was Hajj Amin Al Husseini, the Arab Nazi leader of
the 1920s, who made this lie up. Husseini made this lie up, so Arabs would riot against Jews. And we all know, the Arabs massacred the Jews in Hebron in 1929 and 1936.In the late 1800s, Mark Twain visited the Levant and called it a Deserted piece of land. The vast majority of Arabs came to Israel AFTER these Zionists pioneers began to rebuild the land and thereby creating the economic opportunities and medical availabilities, which attracted Arabs from both surrounding territories and far-away Arab lands!
Every inch of land Jews lived in prior to 1948, was bought legally at high prices in a non existent country. Terrorism, slaughter, rape and carnage by the Arabs against the Jews began as soon as the Jews began to resettle the barren land and largely uninhabited lands, continued through the British Mandatory period after World War I. First the Arabs massacred all the Jews in Hebron in 1929! and 1936.
Then In WW2, The Palestinian leader, Hajj Amin Al Husseini went to Berlin in 1941, to make a deal with Hitler. This was when the Nazis were winning the war.
Hitler and Husseini agreed, when the Nazis defeat the British in the Middle East. The Arabs and Nazis will work together to murder all the Jews in the middle East. Husseini also organized two divisions of Bosnian Moslems - incorporated in the S.S. The most infamous murderers. These Bosnian Moslem SS soldiers not only burned Serbian villages, churches with the people to the ground, but also murdered most of the Bosnian Jews, 90% of them. It was the Arab aggression Against Israel in 1948, which started the war.
The Arabs were so confident, they would kill all the Jews in 1948. Instead, Israel foiled the Arabs aggression. After the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, the Arab League Secretary General, Azzam Pasha said, "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the massacres of the Crusades".
The Palestinian leader, Haj Amin Al Husseini stated, "I declare a holy war, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!"
The armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq invaded the tiny new country with the declared intent of destroying it. Its well known, it was the surrounding Arab countries, that Told the Arab population to leave there Holmes. The Arab Armies requested and ordered, that the Arab population leave there homes to clear the Area, so that the Arab armies
could kill the Jews.And if you don't believe the Arab countries told the Palestinians to leave there homes, let me quote the Arabs in there own words. JORDAN DAILY NEWSPAPER "FALASTIN". 19th February 1949. The Arab states which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes, in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees.
Tell me what happened to the Palestinians in Kuwait and Libya. Go look at Saudi Arabia who kicked out 500,000 Yemenites
in 1991 All Israel did in 1948, is stop Arabs from killing all Jews. How about some more Arab statements, How about some more Arab statements. Azzam Pasha regarding the 1 million Jews in the Arab countries. Assam in May 1948 said "There are over one million Jews in the Arab Lands. Their lives will be forfeit as well when we conquer the Jews. The Real ethnic cleansing happened, when the Arabs kicked out 800,000 Jews from the Arab countries in 1948. Israel took in every single of those 800,000 Jewish Refugees, while the Arabs with 22 countries, refuse to take in any of the Refugees they created, when they attacked Israel in 48. The reason the Arab countries don't take in these Refugees, is because they want to use them, for some kind of SICK WESTERN MEDIA PROPAGANDA. Did you know, that Hajj Amin Al Husseini dispatched a terrorist squad led by Hassan Ali Salameh to Israel during the second World War, with the object of poisoning Lake Kinneret and other water sources to kill all Israeli Jews? They were discovered by the British and prevented from carrying out their murderous deed. This is well documented in the book The quest for the Red Prince.
Right now as we Speak, Israel has 20 percent of the actual British Mandate borders of 1917. The Arabs have 80 percent. Jordan was part of the British Mandate. The British created Jordan and named the country after the Jordan River in 1922. The 67 war was caused by Egypt.
The agreement ending the Suez War of 1956, stated that blocking the Gulf of Eilat would be an act of war. On May 23-24, Nasser announced the closure to Israeli shipping of the Strait of Tiran at the entrance to the Gulf of Aqaba, a measure that Israel immediately declared to be an act of war. Egypt blockaded Israel's Gulf of Aquba and Eilat, thereby starting the Six-Day War One week before the 1967 war, Egyptian radios had very profound announcements.
They went like this"
"Itba-h al Yahood " = "Slaughter the Jews"
Since the media mentions Barauch Goldstein all the time, what the media never tells you, is 21 Jews were massacred in an Istanbul synagogue, including 7 rabbis by Arab terrorists in 1986.The Golan was never an integral part of Syrian Real Estate, but part of the original British Mandate borders or Balfour Declaration of 1917.
In 1923, the British unlawfully tore the Golan Heights from their mandate, they handed it over to the French mandate and the French gave it to Syria in 1946. The Golan Heights was never part of Syria before 1946. So, if you are talking about Syrian "ownership" of the Golan - that "ownership" started only in1946.
The Syrian connection to the Golan Heights started in 1946. The Jewish connection goes back 2500 years ago, when Jews lived there. The Golan was part of biblical Israel. Jews were living on the Golan 2500 years before any Syria Arab got there in 1946.
During the late 1800s, Baron Rothchild bought about 18% of the Golan Height from the Ottoman Empire. When the Jews returned to the Golan Heights in the late 1800s, they found excavations of Jewish synagogues and historical facts. After The French gave Syria the Golan in 1946, Syria seized the land owned by the Rothchilds and kicked out all the Jews.
Second: Assad was one of the worst dictators on this planet. Have you read this new book by Roger Hatem. Its called from Israel to Damascus. Hatem first supported Israel in its war
against Lebanon and the PLO in 82, then he switched sides to the Syrians in 1983, 1984.In his book, he documents how Assad in 1990 during the elections in Lebanon. Assad and his secret police killed dozens of Christian Lebanese, opposed to Lebanon being a puppet state of Syria. Hatem also documents, how Assad murders anyone that opposes him, by Assads Secret Police.
Let me quote Hatem in his book. Today Syria is ruling Lebanon through terrorism. The Syrians have killed most of the Lebanese ! leaders through assassination and car bombs, exiled some of the leaders and jailed the leaders who posed threat on them. They imposed their candidates into Lebanon's politics, so they can govern it forever and make it part of Greater Syria. I decided to expose my story so that everyone will know that freedom and democracy does not currently exist in Lebanon. We all know how Assad butchered 22,000 of his own people in Syria, in 1982.
Alois Brunner, the Genocidal Nazi who deported 130,000 Jews to there deaths from Vichi France, was give Refuge for over 40 years in Syria and was in Assad's Government.
The real occupation of Lebanon is by Syria. 70 percent of Lebanon is controlled by Syria. Assad doesn't even recognize Lebanons existence. Syria has no ambassador to Lebanon. The reason why Syria wants to make Lebanon a
puppet state of Syria, is so Assad can use the Beka valley, to export one of the biggest drug trades on this planet. Do you know Assad is a billionaire threw his heroine trade. Assad and Iran also use the Bekka valley, for the largest counterfeiting scheme against America. Assad and Iran, are making millions of counterfeit hundred dollar bills and then sending them in the U.S. We all know how Syria for 19 years, would use the Golan to shell and bombard Israel, for there terrorist activities. They also used the Golan to shell Israelis Waters.Israel would have to be insane to give up the Golan, which has always belonged to them. We all know how Assad harbors the biggest terrorists in the world, who target only civilians.
This is why I give credit to Turkey. Turkey showed how to deal with the the butcher Assad. The whole world should give thanks to Turkey. Turkey is the only country to stand up to Syrian Terrorism. For 10 years, Assad was using PKK terrorists to kill Turkish Civilians. Assad was doing this, to force Turkey to give up its water supply to Syria and to force Turkey, to give up the Turkish Province of Hatay to Syria. Assad promised! 18 times to help end the terrorism by the PKK against Turkey, but each and every time, he broke his word. Finally the Turkish Military got so sick of this. They told Assad, if he gives one more weapon to the PKK, Turkeywill invade and Destroy Syria.
Assad was scared to death of fighting a war with Turkey. Because the only war he can fight, is to kill innocent civilians. Assad then tried to say, Israel was behind the Turkish Threats. This is laughable. Saddam tried this policy in the Gulf War. Assad was only doing this, to gain Arab support against Turkey. We all know Assad gave in to every Turkish demand. So I say Kudos to Turkey. They showed the only way to deal with Syrian Terrorism.
Here's some Golan history: The Golan is part of the Land of Israel that was granted to the Tribes of Israel by the Almighty, as recorded in our holy Torah. The Golan was settled by Jews in the 1st and 2nd Temple periods, as our Sages tell us (and as confirmed by Josephus). According to Jewish Law, it is forbidden to uproot Jewish settlements in Eretz Yisrael [the land of Israel].
Edited by - thichi on 6 September 2002 13:16:54
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The U.S.A., Irak, and The Fall of Rome...
by Explorer inthe u.s.a. should have taken saddam husseim out of business when it was right to do it.
they had to play their stupid international chess game thinking saddam was usefull to keep a political balance in the region.. it has happened over and over again in u.s.a. history.
the stupid cowboys running the white house always end up fighting the criminals they were in bed with before, or they tolerated for political reasons.. take for instance nicaragua.
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ThiChi
Are all the other nations you list are spelled the same way in your language? Just trying to learn!
Edited by - thichi on 6 September 2002 13:2:19
Edited by - thichi on 6 September 2002 13:3:2
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The U.S.A., Irak, and The Fall of Rome...
by Explorer inthe u.s.a. should have taken saddam husseim out of business when it was right to do it.
they had to play their stupid international chess game thinking saddam was usefull to keep a political balance in the region.. it has happened over and over again in u.s.a. history.
the stupid cowboys running the white house always end up fighting the criminals they were in bed with before, or they tolerated for political reasons.. take for instance nicaragua.
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ThiChi
Dank you
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
If we could help transform Japan and Germany after WWII, we can Iraq.
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
"Stop backing terrorists themselves and turning a blind eye to what Isreal does"
What does "Israel do" except to claim what has been theirs for thousands of years.
What was the so called Palestinians called before 1943? "The Greater Syrian Arabs."
Today, these Palestinians are not allowed to mingle with their own arab brothers in Lebanon or other Arab countries
What hypocrisy!
On the other hand, Israel has provided jobs and citizenship to all who could apply when they became a State.
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Its Time to get IRAQ
by Amazing inhad the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.
there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.
yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.
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ThiChi
""I was watching something on the TV last night and it was referring to the unprovoked attack of a US back Israel on Palestine. They said that about 16,000 innocent men, women and children were killed. """
Proof? I did not think so.........