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THE WATCHTOWER DISPENSES TRUE SPIRITUAL FOOD!

by thinker in

manna.

what is manna?

they asked, and he proceeded to bring quails, .

THE WATCHTOWER DISPENSES TRUE SPIRITUAL FOOD!

by thinker in

manna.

what is manna?

they asked, and he proceeded to bring quails, .

thinker

According to the WT, manna literally means, "What is it?"

While the exact origin of this name has been lost to history, I think we can reconstruct a likely story:

The Scene: Desert Bar and Grill

Date: ancient past

Characters: Moses the chef, Aaron the waiter, and unknown Israelite customer

Customer spits out food and yells, "WAITER! I ordered honey wafer and angel bread. What is this

that you brought me?"

Waiter (thinking fast) says, "That is manna, a heavenly dish prepared in the traditional fashion. Most customers eat it, not for the taste, but for the testing and humbling experience."

(customer) "Yeah, I'll bet... But WHAT IS IT?"

(waiter) "Well, we collect fresh quail dropping just after the morning dew, hand-grind it and form it into cakes, then bake it to perfection on a flat rock."

(customer) "Oh my god! Got anything else?"

(waiter) "Well, we used to have a grilled egyptian fish with cucumbers, leeks, onion and garlic in a watermelon sauce; but we're all out."

(customer) "Nevermind! I'm going across the street to the Rock Fountain and wash this taste out of my mouth!"

Moses overhears this and throws down his staff which becomes a poisonous serpent that chases the customer away. "Ungrateful hebrew! I oughtta send a whole nest of snakes after the whole bunch of 'em. Aaron! Get me my magic sticks!"

The end

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THE WATCHTOWER DISPENSES TRUE SPIRITUAL FOOD!

by thinker in

manna.

what is manna?

they asked, and he proceeded to bring quails, .

thinker

Manna. I will rain bread from heaven (Exod 16:1-4).

What is manna?

The bread of heaven

Ps 105:40 "

They asked, and he proceeded to bring quails,

And with bread from heaven he kept satisfying them.
"

Food of Angels?

Ps 78:25 "...man ate bread of the angels..." (Septuagint)

What was it's texture?

"rained down" Ps 78:24

Therefore at least somewhat liquid.

"Fine and flakey, like frost" (Exod 16:14)

Therefore small, white and flakey.

"...like coriander seed... gathered and ground..."

So it's hard and seed like.

Let's review: So far it's white, liquid, and seed-like.

What's it taste like?

"honey wafers" (Exod 16:31)

"oil extract" (Num 11:8) (What kind of oil? Could be good or bad tasting).

So far we have one sure vote for good taste (honey) and one possible additional vote for good taste (oil).

But was it good to eat? Angel bread and honey wafer was on the menu and that sounds damn fine!

But look here: Numbers 21:5 "And the people kept speaking against God and Moses: "Why have

YOU
brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no bread and no water, and our soul has come to abhor the contemptible bread . "

And here: Numbers 11:5-6 "

How we remember the fish that we used to eat in Egypt for nothing, the cucumbers and the watermelons and the leeks and the onions and the garlic! But now our soul is dried away. Our eyes are on nothing at all except the manna."

Ah yes, those were the good old days...before all we had was this crappy manna.

Moses says they were fed it to be "humbled and tested". If it tasted like honey angel cakes would that be humbling and testing? "Contempitible bread" and only bread fed to you so you'd feel humbled and tested. I'd say that's three votes for bad taste, maybe four.

Let's review:

"Ex 16:

13 -14 Accordingly it occurred that in the evening the quails began to come up and cover the camp (lots of quails if they "covered the camp") , and in the morning there had developed a layer of dew round about the camp (that's the white, liquid, seed-like manna) . In time the layer of dew evaporated and here upon the surface of the wilderness there was a fine flaky thing, fine like hoarfrost upon the earth . (So the water evaporated leaving a white flakey stuff)" ...(and it tastes like crap, let's grind up the "seeds" and "make bread").

Therefore, manna is bird crap bread.

And here's the best part: 1Cor 10:2-3 "

and all got baptized into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food (ie, 'manna')..."

So the Watchtower really does dispense true spiritual food....and it's as tastey as bird crap bread!

thinker

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"Un-baptism" questions please

by alamb in

jw
friends

my eldest child has asked to be baptized next month as a jw.

the court has ordered i have to give written permission if the child is under 18. .

i am going to consent, but only if she studies with me and can answer my baptism questions.

thinker

If you read everything that the WT says about baptism, you'll find that it's merely a show for everyone else. That is, it's you're inner decision that's important, not the baptism itself. So why bother getting baptised at all?

Here's a very good reason for your daughter to wait till she's 18: "As regards the alleged involvement of children the applicant association [The Watchtower Society] submits that children cannot become members of the association but only participate, together with their parents, in the religious activities of the community."

This quote is from a WT lawyer regarding Bulgaria.

EUROPEAN COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Application No. 28626/95

Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova"

(Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses)

against

Bulgaria

REPORT OF THE COMMISSION

(adopted on 9 March 1998)

thinker

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An Unbeliever's Guide to Believing the Bible

by thinker in

jws believe the bible is god's word and that every word in it comes from god.

it's a waste of time to try to disprove the bible based on science or any source outside the bible, because they just don't stand up to something someone believes came from god himself.

so i've decided to use all that i've learned from jws about the bible to show them that they can't trust everything in the bible.

thinker

Hello Shining One,

Do you object to using only the bible (and not outside sources) as a reference?

I'd be happy to discuss the bible with a number of outside sources if you wish, but I suggest we start a new thread for that.

thinker

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Fear not those who kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul?

by Gill in

jw
friends

i don't know whether this particular song is still in the new brown song book, but the chorus goes:.

'fear not those who kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul,.

to the end continue faithful, i will bring you to your goal.'.

thinker

Hi Gill,

The WT has a number of definitions for 'soul':

Soul means the person himself (Eze 18:4)

Soul means emotions (Job 14:22)

Soul means future prospects for life (Matt 10:28)

Soul means life (Acts 20:10)

Soul means dead body (Num 19:13)

Soul means spirit plus the body (Genesis)

Soul means a breather (Gen 2:7)

Soul means blood (Gen 9:4)

Here's a link to my source:

http://hometown.aol.com/SmcDownLds/DownLdFIT.html

thinker

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An Unbeliever's Guide to Believing the Bible

by thinker in

jws believe the bible is god's word and that every word in it comes from god.

it's a waste of time to try to disprove the bible based on science or any source outside the bible, because they just don't stand up to something someone believes came from god himself.

so i've decided to use all that i've learned from jws about the bible to show them that they can't trust everything in the bible.

thinker

Eventually, Satan decided to choose his 'priests'. Israelite priests were decendents of Levi. Levi's father was Jacob and Levi had a sister named Dinah. In Gen 34:1-2 Dinah is raped by a canaanite called Hamor. In accordance with jewish law as described at Deu 22:28-29, Hamor's son offers to marry Dinah and Hamor offers not only the prescribed fine of 50 pieces of silver, but any price that Jacob will name.

How does Levi, the father of all future priests, react to this act of lawful obedience by Hamor? Levi and his brother Simeon lie to Hamor (Gen 34:25) causing all the canaanite males of the city to be circumcised. Then they kill all the males of the town (Gen 34:25) before they can recover their strength. Years later their father Jacob still remembers this horrible crime and curses Levi and Simeon (Gen 49:5-7).

So there you have father of the priestly line chosen by Satan. Levi was cursed by his own father as a law-breaker, a liar, and a mass-murderer. A fitting choice for Satan's priestly line.

thinker

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Comparing the 'one, true churches'...

by Shining One in

here is a interesting article on churches that claim they are the one, true church: .

http://www.theholdemans.com/compare.htm .

rex

thinker

I loved this phrase on that website "Let us not kick against the pricks..." (ouch!)

Also loved the name Cooneyite.

thinker

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An Unbeliever's Guide to Believing the Bible

by thinker in

jws believe the bible is god's word and that every word in it comes from god.

it's a waste of time to try to disprove the bible based on science or any source outside the bible, because they just don't stand up to something someone believes came from god himself.

so i've decided to use all that i've learned from jws about the bible to show them that they can't trust everything in the bible.

thinker

" All Scripture is inspired of God "

A great many people quote this verse to "prove" that ALL of the bible is inspired. But ask yourself, "Which comes first, the label 'scripture' or the inspiration?". Clearly God must first inspire something for it to be labeled scripture. And this is exactly what Paul was saying. So this verse could be restated as this: "If God inspired it, then it's proper to call it scripture." When you understand Paul's words in this way then they are in perfect harmony with John's words to "test inspired expressions". John's phrase "inspired expressions" are a reference to scripture itself, which must be tested to determine their origin and Paul agrees by saying that all that can properly be called scripture is inspired by God.

thinker

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An Unbeliever's Guide to Believing the Bible

by thinker in

jws believe the bible is god's word and that every word in it comes from god.

it's a waste of time to try to disprove the bible based on science or any source outside the bible, because they just don't stand up to something someone believes came from god himself.

so i've decided to use all that i've learned from jws about the bible to show them that they can't trust everything in the bible.

thinker

Hi Gill,

Glad you enjoyed it. I hope it leads to some interesting bible discussions with your mom. I'm sure she will want to know about this. :)

thinker