Posts by prologos

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Is this their arguement?

by problemaddict in

i have had some "friendly" conversations with people on my coninuing fade journey.

i realize that isn't always wise, but they are all non-related to each other, and we keep it light.

even my brother got in the mix.

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Oubliette , while we are at it, lest we forget (oublie') with rule 8 liberty:

"Ein Volk, ein Reich*, ein Fuehrer," shouted at that rally * (tausend jaehriges) transliteration:

1 Folk = JW rank and file,

1 Kingdom of 1000 years (started in 1914,19, or in overlapping generations) you pick one. (not the kingdom of the Sons Love Col 1:13, in force since P33.)

1 Leader = the GB when speaking as one . formerly R--, R--,F--.

"Fuehrer befehl, wir folgen Dir". song sung at that rally = ( GB give the marching orders, new direction, new light, we will unquestioningly follw you)

Kadavergehorsam = absolute obedience and be blessed.

arbeit macht frei = hollow, deceiving message for slaves that will be worked to death.

the resemblance is uncanny, so are the preliminary results.

but the internet might be the stalingrad or normandy that has already happened.

jws: read the surrender leaflets.

ps: joke in these quarters: "that was the shortest 1000 years (Hitlers promise)-- thankfully, lasted only 12 years" 1933-45

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Bobcat, give me your take on this

by QC in

bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

i just shared this with new member "lost".

if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

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mp, yours is a good question. conveniently forgetful as we are, we might just have in our minds only our favored imaginary attributes of "God", given the tooth&claw reality of lfe.

the existence of the universe though, makes it easy to assume the need for a creator, if so,

a Rev.11:18 condition should trigger a response,

nothing else has, bible fables, Prometheos -, Thor myth etc notwithstanding.

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Bobcat, give me your take on this

by QC in

bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

i just shared this with new member "lost".

if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

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QC: Yes! the fulfillment of Rev11:18 will reveal wether the creator is who we think he is, and

redeem all Bible based fabels as rohrschach tests of our personalities.

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There are no non-annointed Christians (Great crowd)

by Hortenzie in

this is a direct quotation from wt july 15 article "feeding many through the hands of a few" par.

"remember, in his prophetic illustration of the wheat and the weeds, jesus warned that a newly planted field of wheat (anointed christians) would be oversown with weeds (imitation christians).

the groups, he said, would be allowed to grow side by sideundisturbed until the harvest, which would come at a conclusion of a system of things.

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heathen: woman should be exempt from door2door work, but in heaven there are no genders. wait and see.

There are 4 groups in the context of the Great Crowd, Rev.7:

The Angels your pick.

The 12 tribes in general all worshippers since Jacob/Moses

the 144 000 OUT OF the 12 tribes and that are to be executed and rule closely to Christ

The great crowd. Those anointed/christian worshippers that make an appearance in the shambles that the Great tribulation left

The time period in Re.7 covered is from pentecost 33 to the overlappin generation end.

wt has confused anointed with SEALED.

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Tower of B---l, Brooklyn confusion : 12 tribes.

by prologos in

consistently the wtbts has maintained that the 12 tribes mentioned by jesus are the world of mankind outside the 144 000 ruling class.

wt aug.15/ 2009 page 8.. they also quote james 1:1 :--"12 spritual tribes--", of ---"the israel of god" gal.6:16 and maintain that the spiritual israel is made of 12 tribes,.

so do we have 24 wt tribes?

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Consistently the WTBtS has maintained that the 12 tribes mentioned by Jesus are the world of mankind outside the 144 000 ruling class. . wt aug.15/ 2009 page 8.

They also quote James 1:1 :--"12 spritual tribes--", of ---"the ISRAEL OF GOD" Gal.6:16 and maintain that the spiritual Israel is made of 12 tribes,

so do we have 24 wt tribes? may be one for each of the 24 elders?

can we conveniently switch between the 24? to suit the occasion?

Could the last bible-story writers not get their act together?

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There are no non-annointed Christians (Great crowd)

by Hortenzie in

this is a direct quotation from wt july 15 article "feeding many through the hands of a few" par.

"remember, in his prophetic illustration of the wheat and the weeds, jesus warned that a newly planted field of wheat (anointed christians) would be oversown with weeds (imitation christians).

the groups, he said, would be allowed to grow side by sideundisturbed until the harvest, which would come at a conclusion of a system of things.

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Phizzy: misunderstanding spawned by WT BtS: partaking is for heaven.

Partaking, the cup that means the NEW COVENANT, is for FOGIVENESS of sin. (if you believe the snake et al)

The partaking does not make (nor confirms) you as anointed as such. all should, all are called to partake , (WT propaganda notwithstanding)

The first participants all had earthly hope, did not become "anointed" by partaking.

The first confirmed member of the 144 000 that are to rule with Christ-- is Stephen, for you have to be martyred, executed to rule in heaven. read it Rev.20:4. "--executed--" for speaking about Jesus.

So unless somebody does them the ax-favor, none of the Brooklyn fab 8, definitely not The dead R&R duo qualify for enthronement.

We will not know who the last sealed ones are, unless the final execution lists are known, in the meantime, we are all part of the 12 tribes, defenitely not part of the presently non-existing Great Crowd. wt 1995 April 15 Question from reders p.31

The 12 tribes are in the present.-- Later in time--, after overlapping generations,-- the great Crowd is seen in the post-Great Tribulaton era wt 1995 4/15 page 31

The great crowd are a crowd and not neatly stacked in 12, errr--zones, branches, districts, circuits, Congs, servicecenters-- because

in the aftermass of the greatest mess on Earth ever, only a disorganized crowd exists, even before the throne.

If you find that wt does not make biblical sense, you are not alone, to sum up:

anointed = future co-ruler with Christ ( WTSPEAK ) known by partaking.

Future ruler with Christ=executed christian Re.20:4 bible teaching.

great crowd = redeemed christians in the future POST great tribulation era*. (we live in the PRE/ante GT** era. * like in AM ante AGT ** PM past or Post GT

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Rebuttals:"Wait on Jehovah"

by Emery in

ok i think most of you at some point have come across the apologetic saying "wait on jehovah" from jws whenever an injustice occurs in the organization.

many have also used this expression to abandon evidence against the "truth".

this has easily become one of my biggest pet peeves now since speaking to others about ttatt.

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troble is you might die before the time-delayed-fix happens.

It took 93 years to fix the FDS dilemma/error and

it is still leaking. so start waiting some more.

some more groaning

wait a minute, wait on Jehovah?

a license do do anything. repercussions only for the victims.

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There are no non-annointed Christians (Great crowd)

by Hortenzie in

this is a direct quotation from wt july 15 article "feeding many through the hands of a few" par.

"remember, in his prophetic illustration of the wheat and the weeds, jesus warned that a newly planted field of wheat (anointed christians) would be oversown with weeds (imitation christians).

the groups, he said, would be allowed to grow side by sideundisturbed until the harvest, which would come at a conclusion of a system of things.

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phissy: the idea of non-partaking worshippers is a purely wrong WT BtS artifact, invention. The text u cited John 6 was spoken in public assembly to people with a non-celestial hope.

Wt has shut the way to salvation, they will not attain it, and want to block the way for all their illigelly obtained slaves.

keeping the OS (Not the GC)*from partaking is one way.

*The Great crowd comes OU OF the great Tribulation, and that has not happened yet, even partially.

There is no great Crowd nw, biblically speaken. WT does not matter,

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Luxurious Crapper for sale

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

luxurious crapper for sale.

i saw this add and couldnt stop laughing.

make of it what you will.

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what has that to do with wt-exwt questions? ??

consider conections.

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There are no non-annointed Christians (Great crowd)

by Hortenzie in

this is a direct quotation from wt july 15 article "feeding many through the hands of a few" par.

"remember, in his prophetic illustration of the wheat and the weeds, jesus warned that a newly planted field of wheat (anointed christians) would be oversown with weeds (imitation christians).

the groups, he said, would be allowed to grow side by sideundisturbed until the harvest, which would come at a conclusion of a system of things.