DNcall "-- It's like shooting pool with a rope." I can not see how to bridge that gap across to the new generation. When I feel about heavenly music I trend toward Bach, but great melodies were written in the last 75 years, For some reason the wt retains melodies that were inspired by the dire conditions in the KZ camps, out-stubborning the SS guards musically. This might presage things to come for jws, but sometimes it seems that these ugly marches, minor key hymns are designed to condition, to harden the r&f for the things to come, fall in line for this. Can there be melodies written for the young that will generate the awe of the classics?
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Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?
by careful ini've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.
but one thing i've noticed that the org.
has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.
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Blatant Lie, or Unwitting Contradiction?
by OneFingerSalute injust a comment here about the idiocy of this mornings wt.. in one paragraph that was yapping about faith and prayer the writers made the statement that faith could be shown by praying for material things, not just spiritual things.
they used the "give us this day our daily bread" quote.. a couple paragraphs later they said prayers are only answered if they were in harmony with god's will.. so i guess it is god's will that my frail very elderly parents are virtually ignored by the congregation they are in.
i guess it is god's will that after over 135 years combined time in duh troof between them they are kicked to the curb, accused of being selfish, unloving and they are laughed at and ridiculed by the eldurrs, the eldurrs families, and sheeple in general because of the frailties of old age.. they (that congregation) will be damned by god for their cruelty..
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$13 "--This work requires that we have faith in God’s timing of the coming end of this system of things, believing that “it will not be {too} late!” [Hab. 2:3)] One way to measure--"
Hope not to derail, --I was struck by the statement above, tying faith to the dating attempts of the wt, and faith is expressed by the measure of service to proclaim the end comings soon, (but really around 2075, if you follow David Splane's logic. )
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What's More Important...Taking care of immigrants or the needy in your country?
by minimus ini say take care of the needy ones first like our veterans and homeless and mentally ill, and then....take care of those not from this country.
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never a jw: Assuming that greater help is given to immigrants than citizens, I would say that there is an economical incentive , or a political incentive. Look at Merkel and her 1000 000 newcomers this year alone. Consider the 3 recently arrived minority members of a small, religious minority, in the new government cabinet, that came out of a recent election.(result of minority block voting). and: Anyone can declare himself a "refugee" receive immediate benefits, including a free lawyer, whereas normal immigrants wait for years and are expected to pay fees for every move. The immigration/refugee industry "loves this idea" -
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What's More Important...Taking care of immigrants or the needy in your country?
by minimus ini say take care of the needy ones first like our veterans and homeless and mentally ill, and then....take care of those not from this country.
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LUHE: Plus, if every country took in a share of refugees, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
"Refugees" do not want to go to every country. Their choice is strictly based on the amount of taxpayers money they can harvest. They want to end up in Sweden, England, germany, Canada (the Ocean gets in the way there). Australia does it right 'refugee benefits' here are a place to sleep, food, some medical, and safe wait offshore until you can return safely home.
Look at the scenes in Calais, across Europe, This is not flight from war anymore, more like a scramble on black Friday. Help the victims by all means." Immigration is good. I think --"too, Fmf.
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What's More Important...Taking care of immigrants or the needy in your country?
by minimus ini say take care of the needy ones first like our veterans and homeless and mentally ill, and then....take care of those not from this country.
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Or, spend the money on the education of your citizen children of long time tax payers first. the student debt, cost of education of the young is a scandal. Much of the "foreign aid" ends up in swiss accounts too. -
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How Deep was your search in Bible or Religions ?
by Kick50r inhow far / deep was your research on the origins of the bible or religions or most importantly the concepts (heaven -gods - immortality-etc)today many millions of people believe as the truth?.
why did these concepts existed ?.
why so many people today still believe in these concepts ?.
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I am as shallow as they come, I embraced the "truth" by studying the "Make sure of all things" by myself, from then on all wt material. Even now, where and how it came from, is of secondary importance to me, since just comparing these text with reality is enough to see them totally discredited. but, learning every day thank you. -
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What Are The Possibilities That The FBI Is Investigating The Watchtower Corporation Because Of All Child Molestation And Scandle
by Brokeback Watchtower ini was just reading this news clip about a mayor from my home town of waterbury, ct how was given a 37 year sentence for raping to minor girls.
the fed were watching him " trying to determine whether giordano was taking bribes from a mafia building contractor, fbi agents learned he was systematically raping the 9- and 11-year old daughter and niece of a prostitute in his office in the city hall.".
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-philip-giordano-appeal-sex-charges-20151204-story.html.
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Do not underestimate the reach of the FBI, they nailed the FIFA crooks, about Football corruption, no, not the NFL, the European, Brazilian, African kind. socked it to soccer, -
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What Are The Possibilities That The FBI Is Investigating The Watchtower Corporation Because Of All Child Molestation And Scandle
by Brokeback Watchtower ini was just reading this news clip about a mayor from my home town of waterbury, ct how was given a 37 year sentence for raping to minor girls.
the fed were watching him " trying to determine whether giordano was taking bribes from a mafia building contractor, fbi agents learned he was systematically raping the 9- and 11-year old daughter and niece of a prostitute in his office in the city hall.".
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-philip-giordano-appeal-sex-charges-20151204-story.html.
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The FBI investigates any Interstate crime, Since The new wt headquarters sits right near the NY/NJ state line*, some activity could come under their scrutiny. Just let a pedophile take a kid across state line "for the purpose of", it is a federal felony.
* not upstate NY which is up to 400 km away.
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Did Jesus attend a "worldly celebration"?
by Westenddave inhello community,.
my question in a nutshell is whether there is justification in celebrating worldly holidays, such as the 4th of july in the usa?.
let's look at a parallel.
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Westendave: The WT would reprove if not Df a JW for unrepentantly attending the 4th of July (for not keeping separate from the world). Is there a difference? --- not df perhaps but DA.? hardly, who can resist the concert, the fireworks even if only on TV,? kiss goodbye half the "publishers" ? Jesus had already started fading and DAed himself by his constant conflict with the elders of his day. He even stayd for several days in the Samaritan city of the lady at the well, well, a no no for a dedicated Jew that he was. -
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The KEY WORD in Isaiah 44:25-26 is "Predictions" and the apostles NEVER made any predictions setting dates.
by Greybeard inisaiah 44:25-26, i am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers, and i am the one who makes diviners act like fools; the one confounding the wise men and turning their knowledge into foolishness; the one making the word of his servant come true and completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers.
the record shows your words and many predictions did not come true.
again, the key word in isaiah 44:25-26 is "predictions" and the apostles never made any predictions ever.
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thank you GB (Grey Beard) and thank you GB (Governing Body) too, for supplying these proofs of wrong.
f: Excellent if you believe in the Bible. --or not, but want to prove that it, the foundation, and the results, = wt doctrines are wrongw.r.o.n.g. What Only Negligence* Generates or * Nefariousness