there may be a god, but i doubt he has anything to do with us now.
i cannot reconcile concentration camps such as auschwitz, which i have visited, and people praying before their meal, thanking him, who did nothing.
here is an example: frank has a kid named johnny.
A personal God as outlined by Stephane Laliberte, does not exist for me either. but I feel there is nothing wrong to be thankful for existence, sustenance, joy, for it is a gift, though a temporary one from a possible creator.
re: pain and shoa, we have the capacity to abate pain, great work. and why did not the mighty US air force destroy the camps, transportation facilities? they precision bombed industrial targets just kms away.?
when i was first introduced to the "truth", i was so distracted by the love and affection that the members were showing me that i was ready to convert into the religion without thinking twice.
i was conviced that jws were god's people (i still think some of them are).
i made it my goal to get baptized as i wanted to be part of the "only" religion that produce such good people.
does anyone know the names of the gb members wives?
where could i find them?
just curious!.
if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.
the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.
have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.
I am still one notch beyond agnostic, although we are not certain, even in science, of all things; I am still a Deist, my turning ?:
1) watchtower is wrong about the bible,
2) the bible is wrong about reality . wrong compounded. the two witness rule at its best.
3) all book-,tablet- based beliefs are wrong, except the readers of the "book of nature". we just need more time and better glasses; hopefully that will shift the four groups into the better camp either way.
all that jesus spoke about in matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century.
all of jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural jews.
(mat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbb8rt2bem8.
some crazy cult language in this talk.. some highlights:.
18:15 - obey.
rutherford believed the "great tribulation" would begin during world war 2. his book "enemies" explained america and britain would turn into a fascist/catholic state so...... watchtower 82 8/15 p.10 "for the saftey of the bethel family a place of refuge was built at south landsing new york.
it was never needed for that purpose...later transformed into gilead missionary school...".
watch.
so i have some relatives who work in warwick visiting us this week.
the visit has been largely drama free.
they came between meeting days, so the subject of going to the meetings never came up.. however, they have been talking about the "downsizing.".
TWoY: Why did they not ask for the Obama care for the really needy in their organisation.?
Even Obamacare is relatively expensive compared to the Bismarkcare of 1883.
it has to be starting to fade somehow.
the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.
maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.
i have been a jw my whole life and i have never been able to get a clear answer on this question.
jw's do not believe that jehovah will intervene if someone is sick, dying or stopping a car crash.
they feel that jehovah is letting "this world" play out before he solves all of these problems.
