Posts by prologos

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Starlight in a Young Universe

by Perry in

the scientific method begins with a faith statement called a hypothesis, and then goes on to look for evidence, for or against support of the faith statement.. secular materialists often change their ideas on exactly how things have made themselves, but never whether they did.. the manifesto for this self imposed mental ban seems to be summed up by geneticist richard lewontin:.

‘our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural.

we take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.. it is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

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Perry: "one day with the Lord is as a thousand years. and the reverse. and . "--with him there is no turning of the shadow--" in other words the creator does not move through time as we do. with 50 000 verses in the bible there is a high probability that there are some lucky hits.

about time" acceleration also effects how movement through time is perceived by the observer, and the article does not mention how "inflation" in the early universe would appear to us. I was referring to the classic Gen. 1:1, not chapter 4 and remember, the bible does not contradict itself, right??

Bsw: The universal expansion is accelerating, so according to Humphreys' theory and "gravity = acceleration," the universe would be even older than it looks to us, not just 6 days.

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Starlight in a Young Universe

by Perry in

the scientific method begins with a faith statement called a hypothesis, and then goes on to look for evidence, for or against support of the faith statement.. secular materialists often change their ideas on exactly how things have made themselves, but never whether they did.. the manifesto for this self imposed mental ban seems to be summed up by geneticist richard lewontin:.

‘our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural.

we take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.. it is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

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The articles underpinning is that the bible is inspired and infallible, Humphreys' new cosmology is shaped to prove that, using the work of scientists committed to the strict materialism concept. An interesting feature in the text was the debunking of the idea, that the passage "--created light--" meant that "god" put the picture of the past we see today into the light that we see now.

The starlight we are interested in is the Sun's and it is 8 minutes old when we see it, and took millions of years to get out of the sun's center fuser, but the sun and Earth did not exist in the young universe, near it's beginning, the universe is 4 times older than the Sun, so, when the bible says "--in the beginning god created Heaven and the Earth--" the basic premise is already proven wrong. That is so whether "c" varies over time or not, or a "time stands still"- zone existed around the big bang white hole.

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My First CLAM Meeting

by The Searcher in

i carried out my monthly "cover" visit to the k.h.

tonight.

as previously discussed on this forum, the clam meeting is just a rehashed, recycled, reshuffled, & rebranded ministry school and service meeting.

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As just an observer, the truncated, big audience discussion with the tired audience of the "imitation of their faith" book, has not fully sunk in yet. The topic at the end was about the sexual corruption of the OT organisation at the highest level. Come to think of it, if truth would be known, on the page 63 image, given the facts, There is a great likelihood, that Eli was talking to his grandson. knowing that his mother was a frequent attendee at the temple compound. Interesting new admission by wt on page 66 par 29 too: "--'Jehovah' let not one of Samuel's prophecies fail--" which can not be said for the wt writers.

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My First CLAM Meeting

by The Searcher in

i carried out my monthly "cover" visit to the k.h.

tonight.

as previously discussed on this forum, the clam meeting is just a rehashed, recycled, reshuffled, & rebranded ministry school and service meeting.

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By the time the last part came down, -- the "imitation faith book" study, every body is spent, already asleep. This question and answer session, was at least 50 % silence, molasses dragging on to the closing song.

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Proof the earth can be flat

by slimboyfat in

"our perception of reality has more to do with what is going on in here (our brain) than what's going on out there (in the world).".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g221y.

is it a dark square or a light square?

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over a small distance one could be fooled to perceive the Earth as flat. The Eratosthenes shadow measurement at Summer solistes in Egypt's wells that gave a close fit for the Spherical Earth diameter, if done on a flat Earth, would also give a [false] value of the the sun moving over a flat earth, because giving different angles but at different times. Even from a house 100 meters above sea level, it is clear the surface curves away past the horizon ~ 35 km away.

Take many looks, to see, to form your perception of reality. To prevent you from seeing far, wt wants you to keep the blinkers on. read only the material from Awake Uni. Many bible passages only make sense if you still live on a flat earth, Satan"s post millennium, Jesus' kingdom temptations,---

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What went through your mind when you saw this Picture?

by John Aquila in

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But all is not lost, look at the kids in the picture, couples still coupling after 1000 years of perfect sex. but where are the four corners of the new earth?

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Does Jesus have wings?

by Bratbaby in

years ago when i was attacked i had giant wings wrap around me in the midst of the chaos and i knew i everything was gonna be ok.all these years i assume d they were angel wings.then last night psalm 91:4 flashed across my tv and it made me wonder if it was jesus himself so i researched on my phone and came across this site.this is my 1st post feedback welcome and ty.post.

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The revelation angels had 6 wings ., so to do better that ,--

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JW.org inaccessible

by Watchtower-Free in

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If we only could get further away from the sun, we could beat global warming and would have more days in the month.

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My Experience after Bethel Part 2

by new boy in

jw
friends

as i mention before i was going to move to california when i left bethel, to get way from debbie's parents.

so i thought the best thing to do was to go to the service department and ask them were they "needed help" in the bay area of northern california.

this shows you how totally delusional i really was at the time.

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did you do any surfing in Narragansett RI?

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

jw
friends

well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

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Truth should be what we perceive and know for a fact. to illustrate, the colours of a rainbow are real, as they are created in the brain. but every rainbow seen is a different one from the one of your neighbour. To the extent that the cause is real, truth can be true, beautiful. The trouble starts when the pot of gold or paradise is assumed to be at the base.