For at least one Concentration Camp survivor, That was a live and death question, not just theoretical theology. Of course, wt had simplified, or complicated that problem by declaring the "superior authorities" to be the Big J and the smaller Jesus. Creator and created in one piece. making the worldly government non-entities, a mindset that the likes of Himmler would not ignore.
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Obey the Superior Authorities God says / God says Satan is controlling the Superior Authorities.?
by smiddy inromans 13 : 1-4 clearly states that the superior authorities are an arrangement from god , defy them and you are working against the arrangement of god at your own peril.. christians are to be obedient to the superior authorities ,"for their is no authority except by god , the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by god .therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ".
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4 :8-10 shows that all the kingdoms and governments are under satan`s control , jesus never disputed that claim .
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Is a piano inevitable?
by slimboyfat ini was at a concert last night and the presence and stature of the piano struck me.
and i thought: if the piano wasn't invented when it was, would it have been invented by someone else instead?
or if there was a world the same as our, except with a different history, would it have pianos now too or would it be modern world, similar in many respects, only without pianos?
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Perhaps the intent of the OP was to show the similarity between instrument makers tinkering with different sound generating techniques, and then public acceptance, approval and most important funding having the enterprise flourish, and the process of mutation first, discovering niche later (or variety thereof) evolution scenario. the gist is: --nothing happens in this world without a creative impetus.
BSW there is a big difference to have music generated by a piece of cardboard (a speaker) and the sound of a real Grand.
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Obey the Superior Authorities God says / God says Satan is controlling the Superior Authorities.?
by smiddy inromans 13 : 1-4 clearly states that the superior authorities are an arrangement from god , defy them and you are working against the arrangement of god at your own peril.. christians are to be obedient to the superior authorities ,"for their is no authority except by god , the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by god .therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ".
matt.
4 :8-10 shows that all the kingdoms and governments are under satan`s control , jesus never disputed that claim .
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The problem is that the bible is being treated as the infallible product of one author. like the four corners of the earth in it's circle; another example of contradictory bible quotes They just calculated pie to millions of places. -
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Finding time
by Jordandemm inis it possible to full time pioneer while working a full time job without making up the hours?
i know of a brother who recently got married too a pioneer the guy was really desperate to get married because his wife despite her many 'spiritual credentials' has very few christ-like qualities unfortunately, anyway that's besides the point.
he is a pioneer now and i'm sure he will be a ms soon the organisation likes that type of stuff the 'pioneer couple' so it shouldn't come as a surprise.
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It all depended whether you considered yourself as an a) hourly paid, or b) salaried employee. For special pioneers in the wt society's mind it was even c) piece work, for, in the monthly report it asked " how many disciples have you made?" but, we were not even seeding, we were plowing in some places. -
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The Forgotten Ones
by ToesUp injust curious...is anyone hearing the older/infirm ones speaking out to others on how they are being treated in the congregation?
without giving anything away, i have spoken to so many older ones (some are sickly or can't drive in the evening or can't drive at all) who can't make it to all the meetings, assemblies, etc., that are complaining on how they are being treated by the more righteous ones in the hall.
the ones i have spoken to make the comment that it seems to be the younger elders that have less empathy and concern for these ones.
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Beth Sarim: "--wouldn't stop to see her " --but "They will travel to the ends of the world to make one proselyte --- gehenna. " -
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Caption This Photo From The January Study Edition
by JW_Rogue inso as some are probably aware the january study edition has two articles on the anointed.
one basically discouraging people from believing they are anointed and another about how ones should view partakers.
this photo is from the second article:.
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I wonder if the apostles had similar sombi stares as the wine was passed. Here is the greatest sacrament of the christian religion, and look at the wt version. they are showing their aversion. -
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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.
by smiddy inon the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.
flock to the nearest k.h.
for a time.. on the other hand ,.
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So if then by some remote chance the "book of bible stories" you mock is accurate, there will be a heavy price to pay. well do not all here wish it would have been accurate, a few lucky hits perhaps. Please, consider, Earth existing since the big bang, talking snakes, water above Everest 2000 BC, walking on water, resurrections, who is going to believe this? take it seriously? -
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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.
by smiddy inon the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.
flock to the nearest k.h.
for a time.. on the other hand ,.
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MMAUB: There never has been a bona fide judgement, like the one you are threatening with, but read on in your book of bible stories. but I admire your conviction, and share your perceived desire to have a secure life. -
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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.
by smiddy inon the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.
flock to the nearest k.h.
for a time.. on the other hand ,.
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Mmaub, Given the improbability of wt-described judgements, I imho stick to the proven deist idea, that the issues discussed above, will be sorted out by the working out of natural laws which govern the universe. who is to say that a segment of the population endowed with great talent will not benefit a society by not being burdened with all the accoutrements of procreation? -while also not being deprived of the pleasure of fulfilling their hormone driven desires? -
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Why I think the J.W. Religion will be around for a long time yet.
by smiddy inon the one hand , if their is a disaster , a natural occurrence such as an earthquake , tsunami , tornadoes etc, the witness armageddon barometer kicks in .many fence sitters , relatives etc.
flock to the nearest k.h.
for a time.. on the other hand ,.
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maybe past if God judges them worthy. You see God will be the judge if they are right or wrong,
Makemeanunbeliever, We saw the kind of judgement you might be talking about. For the record: open your "Proclaimers" book to page 426, this shows the year ~1919, when "god" judged the wt to be the F&DS. on the basis of this prophetic teaching: "The world has ended. Millions now living will never die" " nie sterben"
Judgements like that are scary.