And why the reversal? in the last supper the anointed abstained and the earthly class ate and drank, now it is the other way around? the anointed drink, nibble, and the OS abstain?
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Stupid memorial obsessions
by Simon inall the different congregations around the world hold it at similar local times but they all effectively are at different times relative to each other ... so why does the time matter?.
why the almost superstitious "oh, it must be after sundown".
cause it's not sundown everywhere that second.. god knew the earth was round ... right?.
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2016 Memorial Done & Dusted
by steve2 inwell on this side of the planet, the southern hemisphere/ new zealand, the 2016 memorial service in local kingdom halls will be over for another year.
another great big anticlimax.
some family and relatives will have gone - but unless i ask my sister, i generally have no idea about attendance and partaker numbers.
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Surprised that this year's memorial talk outline did not mention the New Covenant, given that the "cup" of wine is supposed to picture just that. Surprising too, that the kingdom covenant is alleged to be part of the last supper celebration, when in fact it crept up at least a year earlier in the text. (Math 19:28). The Luke reference places the kingdom covenant proposal well after the conclusion of the last supper. so, if you hoped for a broader understanding of the celebration, partaking, not yet, wt is tightening down, giving importance to the few at the top. wt is skewing the explicit details of the texts. why? -
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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program
by thedepressedsoul inwow this is interesting!
i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.
they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.
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Lieu: "--Be like David? Isn't he the guy who rewarded "loyal" Uriah--" Wt loves using David, because like that adulterous murderer, they want to justify their grave misdeeds, and get away with it. Parallel examples: By using his men to collaborate in procuring Bathsheba for sex for with him. David encouraged Uriah to break "god's" law on combatant's conduct by having Uriah sleep with his wife. By forcing Joab to collude in the murder of Uriah. His disloyalty to make the census, (counting, reports in wt anyone?), causing the death of 10s of thousands. ----
The David example giving carte blanche to the wt leader--ship (wreck).
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They want to get rid of "anointed ones" - It's getting clear
by thedepressedsoul ini've never met a group that turns on it's members like the jw's.
sister faithful that thinks she's anointed is now bat shit crazy with mental illness.
we all have known it's true, but now you have the wt, who put it in everyone's head that you can be anointed.
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tort1500. try this: In Rev 7, the 144000 come out of the 12 tribes, so like the apostles who had an earthly hope first, are the first of the :sealed anointed to do so. Therefore the 12 tribes are symbolically people on earth, worshippers. The sealing happens when a christian is killed for his faith, with the ax or other sharp instrument, Rev.20. wt is wrong, but if there is no talking snake, does it matter? -
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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program
by thedepressedsoul inwow this is interesting!
i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.
they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.
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Friday 6-12, Jesus was loyal to the supposed "Jehovah's organisation" still in force in his day, but that did not stop him from exposing the errors of the establishment in no uncertain terms and actions. That is the kind of loyalty I can live with. and
It reminds me of the rallying talks in the Nazi propaganda in 1945. Does wt think their demise is that close?
Treue & Ruhe ist die erste Buergerpflicht!
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Peace and Security!
by biblexaminer inwatchtower teaches that soon there will be a huge development that will be a sign for jehovah's witnesses!
5:3 the watchtower magazine, principle journal of jehovah's witnesses, writes.... however, just before that day of jehovah begins, world leaders will be saying “peace and security!” this may refer to one event or to a series of events.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20120915/world-end/#?insight[search_id]=2038590d-e4a0-4101-89db-27102bef34ba&insight[search_result_index]=19.
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bible examiner:Yes, stop looking for signs! "Whenever" as in multiple and always, ...NOT 'when' as in a singular event...
deserves repeating. or multiple and always or "--every time--
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Evolution is a Fact #31 - Ten Questions for Creationists
by cofty ini thought this would be a good time to pose some questions based on the series so far.. if creationism is true these should be easy.
answers that don't involve copy-paste would be really interesting to read.. ... .
1. since some proteins can be assembled in more ways than there are atoms in the universe why do the sequences of amino acids and bases vary between species in exactly the way evolution predicts?
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I am going to second tornapart on his contribution, and will go further by saying that
The evolutionary process that followed abiogenesis, that was allowed by the creation event, would require more genius to set up then the hands- on workshop tinkering that the bible portrays, and cofty seems to be fond of indirectly attacking. It takes better work to build an autonomous system then a remote control device, and creation as far as we know, is totally on autopilot. a deist's take.
Cofty's challenge proves evolution works, but it does not prove that evolution is not work.
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Why is this year's memorial being held on March 23 (which is the 13th of Adar II on the Jewish Calendar)?
by outsmartthesystem ini thought it had to be done on nisan 14????.
nisan 14 isn't until april 22nd.
does this have anything to do with an intercalary month being added to the jewish calendar this year or something?
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Cheeto: Question : the new moon AFTER the spring equinox. +14 or
the new moon CLOSEST to the spring equinox + 14 ?
PS: at least the wednesday date has an eclipse as a bonus.
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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.
by atomant inl have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.
single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.
and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.
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Cold Steel: "-- sacrifice the key element of their religion, which is Christ,--" That key element is just a consequence of the talking snake story, the fall. Without that bit of detail, that real key element, there would be no need for a "Christ", a ransom. All creation is really as good as it is. deal with it.
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How Should Anointed Christians View Themselves?
by jwdoctrine inin this coming sunday's study article :”we want to go with you” and paragraph 5 we read :.
“those who partake of the emblems at the memorial should carefully consider the warning found at1 corinthians 11:27-29.
(read.
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Muddy Waters: "Hahaha!! I got curious and looked up the Memorial day texts. These texts (reprints from previous wt articles), are designed to confuse (Muddy the Waters) the readers about the distinction between New Covenant and Kingdom Covenant. The only connection of the Kingdom covenant and the Memorial is, that one of the two occasions on which it was brought up by Jesus happened after the supper, on the way to the garden, (the other was months earlier}. All followers of Jesus are supposed to be in the New Covenant, just as all Israelites, not just the kings, or priests were in the "old" covenant.
As if it mattered, with no talking snake. I am tempted to have the emblems passed by, over me from neighbour to neighbour besides me.