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Suffering and existence of God
by elbib in
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many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.

it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..

people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!
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LR: "--Either he doesn't exist or he isn't a loving, heavenly father. I vote he doesn't exist."
We humans are the top predator. do we think about the animals whose family life we have disrupted by our appetite for meat? In a well functioning, healthy, universe. Success does not suck, but has to be rewarded. so: enjoy life that you have, as it is, after all you are the latest in a line of succeeders. The tragedy of a giraffe baby, or elephant eaten by hyenas is the price paid for having any forest at all, herbivores unchecked would denude the earth of chlorophyll. If your vote stands, the universe made itself. quite a feat.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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Fisherman: "--, time inside the ship has one form, outside the ship another form. What form does time take in a nonexistent realm outside --? The way I see it, time has always the same form as a 4st dimension, that can have existed even without the 3 space directions. It is just because of the difference in velocities, movement through time, it is seen differently inside and outside the ship, or the universe for that matter, just like cars will travel at different speeds on a highway. Think of the twin paradox, the traveller returns younger than the stay at home twin, at high speeds through space he has travelled less through the time dimension. I think of time as stationary, and nothing was moving through time before the beginning of our universe. that is how a possible creator can be eternal, uncreated, he never moved through time. He does not have to travel to the future, he is already there. always has been.
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Angst and the Jehovah's Witness Mindset
by cofty in
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there is no typical jw personality type.. any of us who were in the religion for a number of years will remember all sorts of individuals.

there is as much variety among jws as there is in the general population.

some were arrogant and judgemental but others were humble and kindly.
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Lieu, what do you mean existence is a negative? I thought life is negating the decay that mere existence implies?
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Angst and the Jehovah's Witness Mindset
by cofty in
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there is no typical jw personality type.. any of us who were in the religion for a number of years will remember all sorts of individuals.

there is as much variety among jws as there is in the general population.

some were arrogant and judgemental but others were humble and kindly.
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The wt mindset is anchored in the downward spiral of mankind since Eve's perfection. and of course that negates the astonishing improvements in humans and their accomplishments. It is kind of a fatalism. and then the constant thwarting of human advancement by "god": the flood, the tower of babel, and then Satan's world rule. Only service and contribution to wt will cure all that. "angst" to the german mind might not be the right word, it means fear. It is more of a pessimism, fatalism channeled into useless non self improvement, aka religion. a good thing to be aware of cofty. thanks.
There can of course, be real cause for "welt angst" if condition take an uncontrollable turn south, new "leaders", new weapons.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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Fisherman, You are describing not time, but movement through time, which is not a given, even in this universe. At the speed of light there is no movement through time. Einstein realised, thinking of surfing on a wave of photons, that the clock [he was watching looking back] would never appear to move. At the rim of a black hole too, you would stop moving through time.Time is really stationary, both inside and outside the universe, it is us in the medium range of expansion that move through it, from one event to the next. If you can be in time without moving through it, what would stop time to exist before, during and after?
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May 2, 2016 Re: Entrance Time at Regional Conventions
by wifibandit in
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may 2, 2016 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: entrance time at regional conventions.
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It is untheocratic to remove any of the rows of magazines that the sprinters have draped over the backs of the best seats. New World Citizens in training.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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V: "A label that says "made in Japan". Yeah, may be the universe is justs waves (in strings) like the great waves in Hawaii, California, Oregon, they are made in Japan too, originally. Then, he big bang was the mother of all tsunamis.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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V: "Ingredients. " or just a seed with instructions how to grow, to evolve?
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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P: "--the more gravity, the less time, the equations of relativity state--" . so: were the conditions before the big bang the opposite that they are now? the universe multiplied by -1, but conditions none- or, nevertheless?
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
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2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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S: "--Without gravity, there is no time--" EoM: "--he was always there since time didn't exist prior. --"
How can you have "always", every time, continuously, continually without there actually being a dimension to have those occurrences in? And how can you have no time without gravity when the equations of relativity state the opposite: the more gravity, the less time, maximum gravity= no time at all, absence of gravity= full flow of [through] time?
better you-all substitute "time" for movement through time to make it work. for we live in a working, worked universe, that started with raising time to the second power. aka acceleration, "inflation" even.
Some of you want to give the creator nothing. I at least try to give him time.