Posts by prologos

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The Standfasters

by dust in

i don't know where to ask, but this section is probably better than both the medical section and the entertainment section.

:) .

does anyone know what eventually happened to the standfasters?

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Londo111: --After all, Rutherford encouraged the Bible Students to sell war bonds, but the Standfathers were against this.

If this is factual: wow, Rutherford encouraging to sell war bonds, as a lucrative sideline no doubt, the crass mercantilism is possibly exposed once more. It shows too, that the well oiled juggernaut is not out because of being wrong, or at fault, or held to account by "god", or guided by the peaceful spirit that is supposedly "beyond all power that is normal" ; - wt prevails because it is big, not because it is true, or right. right?

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WTBTS "Anointed" Resurrection Fallacy

by The Searcher in

based on the following statements of the wtbts, the first resurrection began in 1918, is ongoing, and ceases when the living anointed are taken to heaven - just before armageddon..

(w88 10/15 p. 12 par.

13) "....according to all the evidence, those of the anointed who had already died faithful began to be resurrected to their promised place in the heavenly sanctuary starting in 1918.".

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Vanderhoven7: "Could they respond: Since the Lord is coming with a multitude of saints, there will be some (remnant) on earth and some (those previously dying in the Lord) already graduated since 1918.

Yes they could say that, but it would be a short term flip-flop, and shred their published charts, and expose them to the questions: with the Spirit's guidance, how could you possibly have missed Jesus' words to the effect that the generation would not pass until all (obviously including Armageddon) has come to pass? in the first place, without prompting, from of all places, here?

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WTBTS "Anointed" Resurrection Fallacy

by The Searcher in

based on the following statements of the wtbts, the first resurrection began in 1918, is ongoing, and ceases when the living anointed are taken to heaven - just before armageddon..

(w88 10/15 p. 12 par.

13) "....according to all the evidence, those of the anointed who had already died faithful began to be resurrected to their promised place in the heavenly sanctuary starting in 1918.".

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V: "Could they respond: Since the Lord is coming with a multitude of saints, there will be some (remnant) on earth and some (those previously dying in the Lord) already graduated since 1918.

well they could, and have done so in the past, but now they are clearly contradicting Jesus by having all the anointed dead before Armageddon, and fighting and then getting married in heaven as the completed bride, --before the onset of paradise down here.

PS: Jesus also said that " flesh would be saved" The disaster will be cut short for the sake of the "chosen ones" , He could not have been talking about the anointed, who can't wait to die, go to heaven, give up the flesh. Fixation on themselves, navelgazing got the better of them, with the anointed, overlapping generation.

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God's Rule Book ....The org is setting the scene....

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i went to my midweek meeting this week.

very interesting....couple of things i noticed in the god's rule book, this week finishing up "the kingdom is born in heaven".

there was a footnote that read:for many years the watch tower was intended mainly for members of the little flock for their personal edification.

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.t 550: :-- but, to advertise for Anointed...we need more anointed.

You are reading current meaning into past ,- and rewritten history. If all JWs had your eagerness to "examine whether these things were really so" : Beroean style, reason would have overwhelmed WT long ago. yeah, they wanted more "colporteurs" from the french "Carriers of Parcels", dumb pack mules.

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WTBTS "Anointed" Resurrection Fallacy

by The Searcher in

based on the following statements of the wtbts, the first resurrection began in 1918, is ongoing, and ceases when the living anointed are taken to heaven - just before armageddon..

(w88 10/15 p. 12 par.

13) "....according to all the evidence, those of the anointed who had already died faithful began to be resurrected to their promised place in the heavenly sanctuary starting in 1918.".

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TS:"--(w14 2/15 p. 10 par. 12) "Sometime after the destruction of Babylon the Great, Jesus will gather to himself all the remaining members of the bride class. Before the outbreak of the war of Armageddon, therefore, all members of the "bride" will be in heaven."
(The first resurrection - according to the Brooklyn hierarchy - will be completed beforeArmageddon commences)

And this is the Achilles Heel of current wt doctrine. "all the things" that Jesus predicted are supposed to occur before the generation passes. If the anointed remnant is called to heaven, passes upward, to be there to fight at Armageddon, how can it be said the anointed generation will not pass? Surely, Jesus predicted Armageddon as part of "all these things"?, the end? --- and the generation, anointed and overlapping, will have passed at least once before that. eat your hat.

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

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F: :--faith in the resurrection -not of Jesus- but of everybody else.

If the debacle of the 194 heavenly activity of the spirit-resurrected Jesus, that is currently studied at the K-Hall, and the help that the everybody else resurrection (anointed dead) provided since 1918 , is any indication,-- it all never happened. The mess of wt history is the proof , it never happened. Now, why are we worried about the resurrection?, it was the perfect death, that supposedly is the panacea. -- or?

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Sychelles Island crash proved you can't land a plane on water!

by Witness 007 in

i was an advocate of the idea that a sea landing is beyond impossible for any pilot.

some years ago terrorists hijack a plane in africa and demand to be flown to australia.

the pilot runs out of fuel at the sychelles islands and ditches in the sea with most passengers dead or drowned.

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libh: "The pilot of both these airplanes were a testament to their good training and great skill

A tribute: If you ever saw Bob Hoover, who just died at 94, and you can see it on youtube, he turned off his two engines, then did rolls, loops, landed on one wheel , then the on the other, you will appreciate how safe flying at the edge can be, and how close the best of us can come to be at one with the universe.

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ExoMars Arrival - Schiaparelli

by TheWonderofYou in

16 october: separation of schiaparelli from tgo at 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest 17 october: tgo orbit-raising manoeuvre at 02:42 gmt / 04:42 cest19 october: tgo mars orbit insertion and schiaparelli entry, descent and landing on mars (atmospheric entry expected 14:42 gmt / 16:42 cest, landing 14:48 gmt / 16:48 cest).

https://livestream.com/esa.

https://www.facebook.com/europeanspaceagency/.

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so, it was the software programs not talking to each other softly. landing altitude radar not understood by braking rocket control ; --babel language confusion still at work?

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Quebec coroner investigating death of another Jehovah's Witness after childbirth

by OrphanCrow in

quebec coroner investigating death of another jehovah's witness after childbirth.

by stephen smith, cbc news posted: oct 26, 2016 6:39 pm et.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-coroner-investigates-death-of-another-jehovahs-witness-1.3822768.

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Will be good to have all the details published so we all can learn. The obitiary by the funeral parlor, magnuspoirier.com lists 6 children as left behinds instead of the 2 elsewhere.

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

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when Jesus (or his historians) compared his end of life experience with Jonah's gastly gastric 3+1/2 days, he must have been testing whether his listeners were credulous enough to swallow the whole bit, hook line and sinker.