Posts by prologos

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Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?

by deegee in

the blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.

romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".

1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".

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The eden account implies that A&E were created mortal, depending not just on food energy, but on that special ingredient: leaves, fruit, bark,- whatever off the tree of life, sooner or later, perhaps constantly. the tree of life was among those prominently provided and recommended, not another forbidden, or hidden source of continuing sustained life.

according to these story details then, there was no genetic dead-cake-panning needed to die. we are normal, pronounced to be among the "very good" of creation as we are, --but we die because of the twirling swords.

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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ntswtg: "--It is a game changer, if they can say that, and then change major doctrines AND STILL get them to believe it is "the truth" then the GB will be very happy with that.

They should be happy, for they have then implicated the remaining elders in the enforcement, teaching of errors. They have compounded the responsibility and prepared the way for the "heavier judgement " to come, divine, or secular.

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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xwjr: --"Even the Israelites wandered in the wilderness for years before finally being directed to the promised land, may we-- be determined to follow--

yeah, only two made it into Palestine, the rest were the overlapping generation. History repeats itself.

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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nswtg: "Point it out to them that they may be pissing off God by obeying a wrong doctrine.

This is an argument that deserves repeating. assuming that the creator would want to sort out candidates for future life? : he would not want to have gullible dunces. If wt is a tool to fool, they would be classed with the talking snake and Judas. nice company. They clearly provided false doctrine, prophecy, whether they admit it now or not.

All that have repudiated wt doctrine would be in good standing.

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Is Jehovah Male Or Female, Manly of Womanly

by frankiespeakin in

why is jehovah in the bible a male?

why not female since he is a god that is not earthly but from another realm where they don't have sex differences, does he have a penis?

does he have to pee and relieve himself?

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if we forget about the well defined "Jehovah" story, but use an amalgam of pseudoscience and the deist creator concept, the creator must be a hobbyist, usually male and aged, that has automatically set up even our corner of the possible multiverse with billions of habitable worlds, and laws that allow life to emerge and evolve, but has a strong female resemblance, because if he is eternal, extending even into the indefinite future, in all direction, and the Universe started not bigger than an all solid proton,

He had, and still has the all of it, and us, developing within him,.

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So does the Almighty God Jehovah make mistakes, or is the society NOT his spokesman?

by stuckinarut2 in

the society claims to be jehovah gods sole channel on earth - his spokesman.. if any witness disagrees with this claim, they are branded as an apostate and punished.. but the society has made countless errors over the century, and repeatedly changed doctrines and beliefs.

not to mention the appalling foundation teachings of the organisation's teachings!

so a simple question: is god making msistakes and getting things wrong, or is this proof that the society is not guided by god?.

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I see parallels between the scientific method of developing a working knowledge of nature, and the religious efforts to explain it all. Most present religions, because they are based on past theories, but declared "holy" that can not be questioned, of divine origin, are actually proven wrong, superceded by what we know now through observation. So:

Religious experiments a la watchtower, putting doctrines out there to see whether they will match upcoming events are futile if based on these ancient, repudiated scripts. The creator has not by inspiration rvealed scientific laws, nor religious ones, otherwise these would prove fulfillment today.

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Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?

by deegee in

the blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.

romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".

1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".

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Interesting thoughts that the talking snake precipitated genetic modification, not just a kind of one-dose poisoning, and that the chromosomal defect could have been reversed by treatment from the tree of life. The female seems to have kind of an immunity* though, even proven with the later story of the immaculate conception of Jesus added. I always thought that the ladies closely in my life were just perfect. Puzzling though, how the actions of Adam could have an effect back into time to retroactively affect the whole creation, that is now moaning, according to Paul,

* yeah, are not the proto ovi already formed at a female baby's birth?

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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...

by freddo in

jw
friends

well how's it going round your way?

massive increase of interested ones?

did you even know it was supposed to be happening?

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the only way to get the attendance up would be to serve the wine and bread weekly and have every one partake (as it should be, as written in the bible) . the weekly attendance figures were the lowest in years here.

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"The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

by smiddy in

that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

" "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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after having slept a little over this admission of error in doctrine and procedure in the past, perhaps the "governors" of the Faithful & Discreet Slave realize that they find themselves in a terrible situation, having inherited some valuable assets, but a doctrinal house of cards, that will have to collapse, perhaps in their lifetime.

They have responded by stopping the leaks, adding overlapping features to stretch, and supporting the whole by a lot of hot air. But the fervor, the energy the sense of urgency, of mission, (misplaced as it was) of the past is gone.

To move forward in a meaningful way, they perhaps realize that there has to be a cleaner break from the past, (not just re-writing history), letting the talking snake-oil cum wt edifice collapse, deflate, one way or another, and statements like in par. 13 are an indication that the preparations to do that, the use of the demolition charges, seacocks , rip panels, are seen as an unavoidable possible future action.

May be they picked the number 13 to symbolize their bad luck. 1 too far for organisational perfection, -- to be stuck with that wt inheritance.

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"The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

by smiddy in

that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

" "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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T: "Paragraph 13: The changes we make on a regular basis prove we have God's Spirit.

so: do they claim it is The spirit that directs them to change doctrine, procedures, ? The action of change is from the spirit, but the result of the change is in error? The spirit says: "change that". but they are not told what to change, and in which way.? The spirit (or an apostate) tells them "this is wrong, change it" but leaves wt to a trial and error method to find the truth, eventually? In the meantime, millions of jws, are tacking, trying to find the right course? and The spirit says: keep "changing!!"?