Continuing to Concentrate on the possible fixes for the increasing partaker paradox of wt: how about the potential new light that the number 144k refers only to those still on earth? the remnant must at any given time never exceed 144000, but the heavenly total is astronomical,? if not comical?
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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How does an elder become an elder ?
by Drwho ini was never a jw , so have millions of questions .
please, how does an elder become an elder and how much trust does or should a jw put in an elder .?
simon.
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How come? I heard it once summarized: You have to act as an elder. appointment is then only a formality. Once appointed though, the disappointment sets in, as you realize how much wt formality takes over your good intentions. The dilemma? how to deal with all the personal problems that a female mind and heart is so much better equipped to understand and handle.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Many partakers are acting on a mistaken belief about the mistaken wt belief system. but even then -1 x -1 does not = +1. The increase in numbers reflects the increase in mistakers that is bound to happen with time, and their unscriptural practice to invite the world at large.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Take the story of the coveted positions to the left and right of Jesus, 2 out of 12, making the non-sealed hopeful partakers the symbolic "10", all the earthly ones.
David Jay, here is the alternate fix based on the above:
The 1444k is literal, but represents only 2 out of 12 of the "anointed". There are 6 times more possible wt partakers than there are real ones, those that "go everywhere the lamb goes" ( the ones elbowing Jesus). You could have 864 000 partakers before you run out of anointed places. now, about that snake--.
ps: let the 2 ladies have their say, finally, who says ladies have no say in wt land.
p.s. 2: Even in the original last supper, aka memorial, there had to be two favoured, close position to jesus, and may be one across the table, furthest away, for Judas, the one dipping at the same time. 144k, a subgroup of many anointed.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Timi1972: How about this one. By looking at this scripture we can evidently conclude that the great crowd are the increasing number of "anointed" ones.
Close, but not quite right. instead:
The members of the great crowd are the 12 tribes that the 144 000 come out of. The real sealed ones (only known to the sealing angels) are a rarer species than the garden variety partakers. to prove:
Take the story of the coveted positions to the left and right of Jesus, 2 out of 12, making the non-sealed hopeful partakers the symbolic "10", all the earthly ones.
You dont want to be a ruler with Christ anyway, if the axe awaits your neck. Rev.20. Perhaps only ~200 witnesses were thus executed (guillotined) since 1914, they are the only ones to meet that stricter criterium. Here is the fix:
The wt partakers, including the GB* are not the anointed overlapping generation, but are the survivors of Armageddon instead. they must be survivors, to not pass away before the end. They, with all believers, are "Spiritual Israelites", aka the 12 tribes, the great crowd members. who all should partake. 144k? Only the angels know,, and they are not telling (yet). The fix:
Let all partake, bring on the wine. 144k is literal but a "sacred secret". sacred and scary.
* their expertise and their staff's is need to jump start the paradise. now, if only there really was a talking snake, walking on water--
p.s. The overall number are not surprising, it is wt's interpretation of them, over ~100 years that is wrong, as usual.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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pun: Ever since the number has been growing then it's significance is nil.
The significance was always null, and void. because this is based based on the idea that only a few should partake, have forgiveness of sin, everlasting life, be "anointed. The text in Rev 7 speaks of being "sealed" out of all those that should be partakers. and
Yes, nuts, --- the bible, according to wt, is only written for the anointed, so if they seriously believe in talking snakes, walking on water, graves opening and dead walking into jerusalem, and keeping millions in that frame of mind, how can they not be nuts at some level, having a void?
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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evilApostate: "Really? Where do they say that? -- no fall-back on the earthly hope--
I was talking about the billions of past partakers in "Christendom. sorry, I might have "gone beyond the things written" by wt. but:
1 Cor. 27 "--drinks unworthily will be guilty-- 29: drinks judgement against himself--Hebr. 10:26: no sacrifice left--29: severe punishment-- sin against --blood of the covenant. "
WT basically has declared all religious activity post-John's writings illegitimate, including their doctrines, ceremonies; ( wt require re-baptism for example). The implications are clear, even if wt perhaps never put it that way. The wt way,-- or you are a goner, gone to gehenna.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Hence, it is plain to see that this is just another failed doctrine.
failed, false, particularly if you consider that wt doctrine stipulates that if you partake unworthily, there is no fall-back to the earthly hope. multiple millions of "non-wt-Christians" partook, during the millennia, unworthily.
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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me "I THINK that the catholic church teaches that once a person dies they can no longer help those on earth.
Do not catholics believe those declared saints, do deeds to help earthlings? St Christopher for travellers? and on and on,? and does wt not teach that those anointed that were resurrected starting in 1918 are part of the spirit direction of the organisation, they just don't sit there with their harps, right? and
How about the 1000s of closet partakers at home, sipping, and watching the full moon?
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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust
by David_Jay inreports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
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Talking of Catholics, do they not have saints too? not just all those partaking of communion, but a special class guaranteed to be in heaven? Working in our behalf, like the already 1918 resurrected wt anointed? May be the GB, F&DS should hold court too, with a devil's advocate to sort out the insane partaker vs fake mess.
Really, partaking is not meant to be an exclusive practise for the wt "saints", it is for forgiveness of sins, all Adam&Eve/s brood, brother.