Yes, but it was not "in"the org, or because of the org, but because that what these people were regardless, almost despite of the wt's attempts to harness all energy to "the cause".
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Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?
by HereIgo ini remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.
when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.
i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.
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How many times did you see a JW start a business
by karter inwith the intention of spending less time working and more time in f.s i saw this many times.
an ex c.o started a carpet cleaning business with the charter being spending less time working more time in f.s.
he has long since passed away and the company is now huge being the major player in flood resteration and employing 100's of people one of the owners i spoke to recently was sick due to using to many chemicals but carries on becouse he loves the money even though he's worth millions.
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I have seen jws start cleaning empires (who could have better recommendations than stadiums brought up to spic&span specs?), real estate empires, incorporated 3M detailers, electricians, plumbers, builders (with RBC trained, dependant, angel supervised, jc disciplined workers). Starting a business, is the crutch for not having an education, a career or cushy government job, because you spend decades pioneering.
I have seen pyramid scheme companies started and maintained with the connections that is provided by jw membership, extreme luxury accssest in in 3rd world countries,
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The Bible or God? - A Message to Formerbrother
by David_Jay in“i still can not find any other option that comes as close to all the bible as jws do.”-- from the profile of formerbrother.. this is lengthy, but it should help you, formerbrother.
the problem is not in your search for this "option" but that you are searching according the criteria set out by the jehovah’s witnesses (and likely following the reasoning set out by their claims).. before proceeding, understand clearly (as there will always be someone reading this that will skip this point that i make) that i am not writing to advance any particular religious view.
though raised and baptized as a jehovah’s witness in my late teen years, i am jewish.
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Basing your religion on a person, JC that is, who does not exist anymore, leaves a lot of room for emotional misdirection does it not?
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Odd choice of words
by Nevuela inwhy is it that when a jw gives someone a magazine, they use the word "place" instead of "give"?
as in "i placed a magazine with him".
and why do regular door-to-door jws of no special rank refer to themselves as publishers?
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G: "Those early 'peddler's were paid a fee ( percentage of the price of a book)to go door to door.
col-porteur, french: parcel carrier . There were special rates at the hall, for Pioneers, col-parcel-carriers. I believe pioneers got half price at the counters, for special pioneers, the 150 hrs per month kind, mags, literature was free, even bibles, at the assemblies. so were meals. or?
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Odd choice of words
by Nevuela inwhy is it that when a jw gives someone a magazine, they use the word "place" instead of "give"?
as in "i placed a magazine with him".
and why do regular door-to-door jws of no special rank refer to themselves as publishers?
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"place" from placer mine, a future source of gold for the wt.
"Publisher," from going public and adding your personal endorsement, perhaps unique wording to the often bizarre ideas in the publications.
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If this system goes on.
by karter ini heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.
years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..
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jb: "sad hearing the comments from the old timers resigned to their deaths in this system and hoping for a resurrection an even more preposterous and insane hope.
Yes, for just keeping alive seem doable, but a recreation of your brain/thoughts/memories, more difficult, it has never been done before. and
If wt failed with the never die promise, what prospect is there that this even more far-fetched hope will happen? really?
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Marx had it right - religion is a drug
by berrygerry inwatching the head-bobbers at a meeting, or as my ex would always say "wasn't that a great meeting?
" there simply must be a chemical, hormonal reason for someone to sincerely enjoy sitting through 2 hours of regurgitated, puréed bullshit.
mri's confirm what religious manipulators exploit.. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-drugs-ancient-scrolls-scientists-9356777?service=responsive.
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Because of recreational drugs many have never reached their potential, payd a high price, and religion, even wt has had the same results.
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Second Temple Judaism's Iranian Connections - something to think about
by fulltimestudent inthe jw's (and many other christians) believe that their religious beliefs are derived from yhwh who personally taught men of old the truth.. this view is not supported by evidence, on the contrary, when we consider the religious beliefs of neighbouring peoples, we can find evidence that the jewish elite were influenced by the religious beliefs of their surrounding neighbours.. this short video purports to demonstrate a connection between jewish thinking at the start of second temple judaism and the iranians who practised zoroastrianism.
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i (at this time) find the suggestion that the jews conflated their yhwh with the zoroastrian divinity somewhat difficult, but its worth thinking about.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglgcnjz7_8&t=269s.
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yeah, with the tent in the wilderness, at least wt could attach meaning to all the features, the curtain,-- . with the temples, the pillars?
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Well, the Apostasy Accusations Begins...
by Sorry inso, it finally happened.
the first time i have been called out for being an apostate.
it started out innocently enough: my family and i were watching a tv show.
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I wish you well
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If this system goes on.
by karter ini heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.
years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..
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When I heard the circuit overseer say that, or rather he had to say it,- from the outline, he kind of cringed. I thought, now comes Jesus' parable of the seven demons repossessing the man who was exorcised. , they did not go that far, but equalizing doubt with demon possession goes too far, now,-- that talking snake must have been demon possessed even before 1914 right?