What do you mean you"--WANTto wear pants" you do already, that leaves the boys to play with model airplanes like J Carter, or write fabulous fables like Moses. we like your dresscode.
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We want to wear pants
by recovering inhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/mormon-women-wear-pants-to-church-threatened_n_2346737.html.
morman women demand to wear pants to church.
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What does perfection mean?
by speargrass55 ini was reading the thread about inheriting condemnation from adam and eve.
i would like your opinion on what was before that.
we all know the earth is hundreds of millions of years old.
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one wt definition of perfection was " fullfilling its designed purpose" or something like that.
faulty reasoning-- inside the flawed bible constraints-- too is when the wt opines: we humans sin because we are IMPERFECT. well,The created perfect satan, the demons. A&E " sinned" quite well did'nd they?.
perfection is not the bible picture, its the balance in nature.
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A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD
by Terry inall believers in god begin with the premise that he is the creator.. but-stop!.
go back one step.
what about before god was a creator.. creation is the "beginning" for the created--but--not for god.. .
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Terri started this topic out as a "thought experiment" and they work well, since Albert too started a new way of looking at Physics that way.
Since we are confronted with the existence, the reality of the cosmos, that is where we have to look to understand what it means "to be" God. To me that means a creator, a worker, not what ENTIRELY POSSIBLE calls "silent invisible creatures" or golden calfs or talking snakes.
Jeremiah 18:-- ', your proposition, question about an "experimentor god" merits thought, we can relate to the idea of a creator, a researcher because we love to do it, when we have
time and energy to spare. Does the Creator have time and energy to spare? yes, IF we consider the possibility that he must be more than 50 billion light years big and old .
What do WE do when we have time and energy to spare?--- hobbies and play, family time.
Play? ball games: all kinds, even "Cricket on the beach"* usually it involves getting a ball to move at the right time at the right velocity into the right place. so look at the universe. : It is full of balls moving at the right time and velocity in the right location. The trick was to establish the rules, make the balls and get it started ( the 3 body problem to the nth degree). its fun to play ball, so why not for a creator?
build? some of our building is usefull, but there also hobbies, compulsory building of stamp collections etc. The architecture that is embodied in Music. great pleasure is derived from building. the doing. and the enjoyment of the product. fun to build, building for fun, why not for a creator
family, is it not good to have "overlapping generations"** visiting parents, chidren, sharing, being able to care a for a newborn , even if in teenage years it becomes a rebellious competitor? if its for us an intense near-religious experience, why not for a creator?
* another nice, current topic ** not the "overlapping generation" copy-righted by WBTS inc.
Most participant here come from a background of failed bible study, now even confronted with the realisation that the bible is a fable, a tale. but
some of our thoughts are molded by these bible-based, possibly true, concepts of God:
God is eternal, older than his creation. 1 Tim 1:17 Gen 1:1
God is larger than his creation, 1 King 8:27; 2Chr.2:6 and 6:18 Big Bang had zero dimension, anything is bigger than 0
God is not moving through time, unlike us sundial watchers. James 1:17
its good to be alive and have your thoughts.
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A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD
by Terry inall believers in god begin with the premise that he is the creator.. but-stop!.
go back one step.
what about before god was a creator.. creation is the "beginning" for the created--but--not for god.. .
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fernando thank you for the help. you said "--at satellite distance time is changed-- " right> because the acceleration, energy to put it out there. there greater speed through space it needs to stay up there, looking at the clock, the clock is slower. push it to c and the clock will stop. but that clock measures MOVEMENT through time at that velocity and location. Time itself for the universe is unchanged. Its not "time" that has changed but the movement through time if you will. Think in this model re "eternal stationary time" as cars going down on a one -way highway at different speeds. its not the highway that has different speeds for different cars. The faster you go in space, the slower you go in time. some researchers want to get into the pre Big Bang the vaccuum energy fluctuation. the surmise that the vaccuum with that balanced matter=antimatter had a time potential to have it fluctuate. isert fluctuation= creator and you have pre-big bang-time.
satellites orbit also in reduced gravity which effects their MOVEMENT THRough time.peace to you. help me learn.
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A thought experiment about what it means "to be" GOD
by Terry inall believers in god begin with the premise that he is the creator.. but-stop!.
go back one step.
what about before god was a creator.. creation is the "beginning" for the created--but--not for god.. .
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thank you all. It is interesting that what it means "to be" GOD ----as contrasted to what it means "to be" human would focus now on TIME or the time experience of these two entities/concepts. Also,
some of us here are trying to find or establish a better and new way to have the common human thirst for elevated feelings, thought fulfilled. Kepplers, Newtons and Einsteins religious inclinations were discussed here on this forum and that is a good hook both into science and the divine.
In my thought experiments I found it helpfull to work with my mind by limiting my 3d space picture to a plane 2 dimension only and substituting TIME for the missing 3rd.
That leaves the expanding universe looking like a balloon, expanding out of the point blank big bang singularity full of energy.
In this model, the emptiness surrounding the starting point of this expanding sphere / membrane that we flatlanders inhabit IS the dimension of TIME.
THis TIME is HUGE and OLD
The model balloon expands into time
The expansion is due to the dynamic energy of the matter all moving in that curved skin, membrane that is tensioned by gravity. Any movement at all will generate a centrifugal force driving the expansion, because a space-line describes a circle or rather spiral back into the past.
the space dimensions and Matter it contain moves in the direction of the radius into the future. The radius aligns with the arrow of time, the movement energy driven. It is
ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that in this model, time is STATIONARY and space and its content are expanding, therefore moving THROUGH time. Matter is moving non-stop through time since the big bang. (the faster through space the slower through time) (the greater the gravity the slower through time)
In this picture, time existed BEFORE the big bang, as it must. Even for the anti-matter matter imbalance model of the vaccuum fluctuation beginnig idea.
For creationist this eternal-unending unlimited time is also the property and domain of the creator, who is eternal, still fills time in the past, already fills time in the future outside that expanding balloon.It is
ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that a creator filling that eternal time "would find Time to start up our universe" (and energy) send it moving through the static time that is his abode, his property.
This model implies that the creator is old, filling all of time, since he is thought to be eternal, butalso
Larger than the universe, infinitely Large. Of course he was larger than the BB singularity, and always will be outside that expanding membrane of ours. We know that
ENTIRELY POSSIBLE build his house, but the universe is in size more like a doll house for the creator, made for his children. so:
The arrow of time is the direction SIGN on the one-way street for space and its content to follow out of the pit of creation into future time. a street that is stationary, the matter of fact moving out into the future driven by energy.
If its a question of time, "to be" god means to BE, to totally fill eternal, stationary time. it means "to be" human to MOVE through stationary time as long as genetics heritage entropy allows it.
Terrii, TIME is real, we can measure it, it is the one way street we move on - into the future. Like most motorcycles, no reverse gear. you have to keep moving to keep your balance.
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Isaac newton - apocalypticist
by Satanus inisaac newton was many things.
he had one of the most intelligant and enquiring minds of the last century, imo.
he was also very creative.
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it helps to have some excentricity to enjoy life, newton had that, but the dead -end streets of his research should not be held against him. Keppler who laid the groundwork for his gravity laws also tried against odds or reality to obtain other planetary laws by fitting orbits into geometric figures.
both Newton and Einstein used gods' name. details at beabeorean.com.
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NOVEMBER 15TH STUDY EDITION. THE WORST YET???
by DATA-DOG in' cultivate the spirit of a lesser one ' to be studied january 7-13.... " a humble person has heartfelt gratitude for jehovah's provisions, including spiritual food.
hence, such an individual is a diligent student of the bible and an avid reader of the watchtower and awake!
magazines.
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I am always "faithfully" in priority reading because I can't resist getting a good laugh. or detecting acute foot-in-mouth desease. Here is a gem of watchtowerese watchtowerspeak? I found in todays' study copy while the trapped sheep were ruminating and regurgitating. :
wt October 15, page 18, second column, 9 lines from the bottom:
"But a few days later Brother Knorr REVEALED that they were to stay----" so now we know that that there IS Revelation in the latter-day Presidency. Then:
second last line in that same column: "--fully convinced them that Jehovah always knows best---". this is talking about the same assignment incident.
Lesson: either Knorr=Jehovah or Jehovah revealed, talked to, induced dream, gave vision? to Knorr, then Knorr REVEALED to Ramon, Richard et al.
There will be and end to this revealing doubletalk when it ends. some ends are really coming.
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WT Society Still Lies to JW's into Believing they Live Forever - 12/15 WT
by flipper inthis quote was just so annoying and unbelievable it stunk the pages right up.
but doesn't all the wt rhetoric stink it up ?
in the article titled, " find real success in life " on pg.
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irondork: you are right, the scriptures mention everlasting life. but wt has promised since 1918 that people will not, will never die. millions of them, then living !
Jesus as recorded in John 6 said that a future --partaker-- "-- HAS everlasting life, and I shall RESURRECT him at the last day--" verse 54.
No human has ever lived and not died. The wt writers are already discredited by their record. To again make a promise that they can not in any way fulfill,
will come to haunt them.
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What do you mean?! I ALWAYS go to the beach after service and wear long pants and button up shirts while I play a game in the sand with my family! Sometimes I wear button up long sleeve shirts too!
by Crisis of Conscience inthe wts likes to imply how jws should dress in and outside of the hall.
you always want to set an example.. so i couldn't help but share this beauty in the january 15th, 2013, study edition of the watchtower.
i always go to the beach like this!
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You'all, whoa, hold it! do not belittle this picture. These are all northerners out in the sun. within an hour, damage from the sun will set in. Look at picture of competion sailors, even lips and noses thickly covered in reflective sun creams. If I ( with latitude of denmark ancestry) --am more than an hour in the sun near the water, I look like a Hiroshima survivor, my wife will refuse to kiss my raw lips. When Surfing in Hawai, California I was known as "THE TAPE MAN" for covering parts of my face with reflective Duct tape. and wearing a shirt plus shorts, if not full length pants.
The players should even go swimming like that. a great way to keep portuguese man of war and other critters' poison off your skin. skinny is scary.
so why does the picture look silly?--- because the slackers do not wear wide brimmed hats. a typical wt situation, they have it wrong but dont know why.
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How Science has advanced since the Victorian Era...
by ziddina inbuttonhooks, steam-run horseless carriages, corsets, steamships, gaslight streetlights, wax candles..... these things were considered the 'latest' in "modern conveniences" during the victorian era.. the victorian era also ushered in some exciting new scientific discoveries and inventions - uranium, x-rays, electric telegraphs, bicycles, and a good part of the industrial revolution.. of course, nowadays we wouldn't dream of using buttonhooks to 'button up' our shoes, nor would we even consider having a steam-powered "horseless carriage" in our garage.. we wouldn't allow a dentist to work on us using 19th-century tools or techniques, nor would we trust a psychologist who insisted on using "phrenology" to determine why we have mood swings or depressions....
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????????????? sorry, that was about paradise under wt control.
all advances you list are great. personally because I am a coword, its the perfection of pain management in medicin. I like to die with out torment.
great work by people that dont "wait on Jehovah".
peace.