Posts by prologos

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Death

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

when i was a dub i was petrified of displeasing the trademark imaginary god that the wbt$ had invented.

i feared that kind of death.. the thought of being unconscious totally forevermore seems so weird.. now that i know the wbt$ was lying (as usual), and i realise there can't possibly be a god as described in religion i am now faced with the reality that i'll be dead and gone with nothing to carry me on after in a conscious way.

just because i don't want this to happen doesn't mean it won't.. oh, darn!

prologos

ep: I hope you did not mean to be disrespectful when you you said:" -- a LOT of fuctional science we rely on." rule 3.

Can you distinguish between the 3space dimensions and their Content and Movement along them?

Can one distinguish between Time and MOVEMENT through it?

At c movement through time reaches zero. (as you indicated). so

there can be zero movement through time or stationary time.

was time always stationary before space and its content (something) joined it at the beginning? the beginning of Movement?

Is not DEATH (to remain on topic) the end of movement through time?

This discussion, as Life and DEATH is not frivolous.

thank you for not being dismissive.

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Death

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

when i was a dub i was petrified of displeasing the trademark imaginary god that the wbt$ had invented.

i feared that kind of death.. the thought of being unconscious totally forevermore seems so weird.. now that i know the wbt$ was lying (as usual), and i realise there can't possibly be a god as described in religion i am now faced with the reality that i'll be dead and gone with nothing to carry me on after in a conscious way.

just because i don't want this to happen doesn't mean it won't.. oh, darn!

prologos

cl: before there was the universe, what was there? nothing?

so there must have been nothing before the universe. but

for how long was there nothing before there was the universe?

all ways?

an eternity?

Time wise?

DEATH = absence of YOUR life was eternal before your birth.

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Death

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

when i was a dub i was petrified of displeasing the trademark imaginary god that the wbt$ had invented.

i feared that kind of death.. the thought of being unconscious totally forevermore seems so weird.. now that i know the wbt$ was lying (as usual), and i realise there can't possibly be a god as described in religion i am now faced with the reality that i'll be dead and gone with nothing to carry me on after in a conscious way.

just because i don't want this to happen doesn't mean it won't.. oh, darn!

prologos

ep: what science?

I was not bothered by an eternity of non-existence along with nothing.

prove that time is not Eternal,

google it.

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Do you appreciate our spiritual heritage?

by never a jw in

that is the title of the second study of the feb. 15, 2013 magazine (page 8).

to the left of the title a picture appears showing three people holding very old watchtower magazines from the early 1900's.

i have been studying jw's history and doctrines for less than a year and i already have far more knowledge than most c.o.

prologos

re 1975. The society has tried to deal with this before 2009 , perhaps late 70s, at a convention in Grand Falls MI a speaker said: "--we regret having published that--" of course, it was regrettable, rather would have liked to recall it. but no apology, just an acknowledgement that it gave a certain negative feeling to them. expect the same for the NL to come.

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The Bible: God's Word or Man's?

by Doug Mason in

my jw visitor left me a copy of the 2006 print of the book "the bible: god's word or man's?

", and i intend to provide him with my analysis of it.. i notice that the book was written in 1989, and the dates of the references suggest the book has not been updated since then.

am i correct?.

prologos

How do you know that? april one?

Did not Joseph receive a Life prison sentence for

ATTEMPTED RAPE?

Did the civilisations beyond the hebrew horizon exist, prospered without Law?

are the most iimportant laws not 13.8 billion years old?

a year for every 1000$ the US ows?

Sin and its consequences and its legal remedy, the ransom, were outlined 4000+years before Moses,

so says the bible . the word of----

thank you for the suggestion.

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He Is Risen, the axial component of christianity

by designs in

sunday hundreds of millions and possibly up to two billion people will join in some service in observance of the resurrection of jesus.

it is the central issue which takes the teachings of jesus from the philosophy of doing good to others to the ultimate truth which it claims.

it was the axial argument of the apostle paul in 1 cor.

prologos

DD: you said "one nut-nuke job*" and you are gone, a G-O-N-E-R. why?

as opposed to a resurrection believer? because, using the bible-story antecedent:

The 3 he-brews in Daniel 3:18--- survived fire comparable to the surface heat of an atmospheric a,h bomb blast at ~ 10 000 deg. Kelvin.**

no prior resurrection required. why now?

and that is all just a story, each more fabulous than the other.

Why would salvation depend on credulity?, naivite', unproven, unprovable stories?

*dr. strangelove

** 7X the energy/heat of a bronce age furnace.

66

He Is Risen, the axial component of christianity

by designs in

sunday hundreds of millions and possibly up to two billion people will join in some service in observance of the resurrection of jesus.

it is the central issue which takes the teachings of jesus from the philosophy of doing good to others to the ultimate truth which it claims.

it was the axial argument of the apostle paul in 1 cor.

prologos

DD you asked : what is your hope?

since Jesu's -or ANY true resurrections are at best a story, not replicated,:

the wise thing is to live well, fully, to pass on live in your offspring.

every day is the last one for the day, never to return.

If there will be added goddies to that gift later,

more power to the generous giver. if not:

many thanks for the

present (gift) of the present (time)

enjoy.

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

prologos

mp: the original theme proposed by QC was that all worthy christians are equal, united, should partake.

Just like the original family-based attempts to contact the creator (first born of every family, tribe was to look after spitituality), so all Christians are one family.

Jesus strongly discouraged power hungry individuals. often.

The scriptures I cited above show the power grab by the two tribes, Levi and benjamin/Juda.

similarly with the Clergy vs Laiety and --- not to be outdone:

The WT BtS society with the erroneous "other sheep" vs. "remnant/F&DS/ GB of 1919 vintage" power trip.

We know the mighty Dinosaurs existed and went extinct, we have the fossils. only one anciently fossilized fish species survived.

So: history teaches that to lay low and deep gives protection.

Sticking your neck out in prominence will precede your fall. listen (to whom it may apply)

If there is one father we are all brothers, sons.

Math 12:50.--- not so -(falsely)- called anointed only.

egalite', fraternite', maternite'.

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The Bible: God's Word or Man's?

by Doug Mason in

my jw visitor left me a copy of the 2006 print of the book "the bible: god's word or man's?

", and i intend to provide him with my analysis of it.. i notice that the book was written in 1989, and the dates of the references suggest the book has not been updated since then.

am i correct?.

prologos

word of WHAT GOD?

nature, creation can be taken seriously, even in far away places the same laws apply. but

The bible in its entirety can not be taken seriously. It does/can not have the same origin, or author as the universe, which / who's laws "CAN NOT LIE"

The bible has some practical rules, truism even, but so has Chaucer, Shakes beer & Co. so:

the bible deserves to be studied to deal with, understand its believers.

Ripley's ------! don't.

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He Is Risen, the axial component of christianity

by designs in

sunday hundreds of millions and possibly up to two billion people will join in some service in observance of the resurrection of jesus.

it is the central issue which takes the teachings of jesus from the philosophy of doing good to others to the ultimate truth which it claims.

it was the axial argument of the apostle paul in 1 cor.

prologos

ding: you said the disciples saw themselfs as part of a noble religious cause: yes and

such beliefs can take on a life of their own with glorious delusions, which are not ouright lies, but strongly entrenched mental and emotional constructs.

It happens in the political arena too, Hitlers followers fanaticism, Emperor devotion in Japan, now NK.

All respect for the devotees, fervor has its own rewards, but

that is all.

pride comes before the fall.