it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman: "--"REgarding their explanation of the 2nd group of anointed,---" Wt explains that the final group of anointed will die well before the battle of Armageddon. , The GC, ( really it's prospective members), survives, or, to use Jesus' words: "--does not pass away. --".
I opened a challenge to that wt " anointed " idea.:- "The Remnant of the Anointed can not be the Generation of Math. 24." prove wt right, prove the proposition wrong. your answer is above.
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
Lieu, The premise of the debate is independent of the 2 group generation idea, but your's is a great observation:
There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.
Jesus' words clearly imply that the same individuals would experience all the features of the calamity he was talking about.
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman, :--But the destruction is not the sign or part of the sign. The destruction is what the sign points to. surely you are not saying that "all these things" are, or pertain to, only the preliminary sign?, not the meat, the gory genocide?, the flood-like global catastrophe?
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
Great comments, but the crux of the matter, do Jesus ' words really define the anointed remnant generation as wt writers are so adamant about?
Lieu: " if they die before seeing "all these things occur", --according to wt doctrine they will definitely die, called to heaven, before all these things occur. or, can you be raptured without dieing?
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
WT [old] theology. Fisherman, did they not teach in the 1920s, that the churches proclaiming that "the UN is the expression of God's Kingdom on Earth"? constitutes the disgusting thing?
WT [newest] theology. I was referring to the current prophecy, which demands that the anointed remnant will be raptured before the onset of the End.; long enough before the batlle of Armageddon to be integrated into the immortal combat formations? so:
Because the anointed are the wt generation, they are supposed to pass away, they could not possibly be the generation that Jesus was talking about !! right? because Jesus said after all, the generation will not pass away.
It is the OS, prospective members of the GC, a constantly overlapping generation , not the anointed that fits the biblical description. How could wt writers missed that?
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Jesus' temple/ Jerusalem prophecy never said the generation would "never die," never" pass away", but it said: will not pass away "until all these things occur", so, after these things have occurred it will pass away, and it has, like any other generation back then and in our 20/21 centries.
Fisherman declaring the wt generation theory/ hypothesis/prophecy "theological and mathematically sound", sounds hollow. not hallow.
