jws: "--Yet this marvel was somehow not created, but always existed.
not talking about any particular "god", but rather about the possibility, the conditions of operation for a creative agent:-- you can not pick up a book on cosmology that does not come to terms with the fact that there are conditions that preceded the beginning of our universe, and perhaps are still filling it with more [dark]energy. These conditions demand the existence of time, and the possibility of a creator at work. undetectable on our side of the arrow of time. or?