S: "What is dead may never die!
The first version of a world wide series of talks given !918- 19 21 by Rurtherford. page 426 of the "JWs, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom" book.
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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying
by blondie inthis was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.
the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.
one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.
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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying
by blondie inthis was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.
the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.
one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.
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good points to think about. was it not for 1925 that they promised the resurrection of the patriarchs to take leading positions in the "golden age" they thought to develop in the USA?an age that was concurrent with the anointed "going home" like R & R ?
Tied to the unprecedented 'really not dying' promise, is their vacillating about who would survive Armageddon, even he anointed heavenly class was thought of at one time to survive the end, * to administer the planting of paradise. Bible texts are ambiguous enough to allow for that through selective quoting. WT always took the organic life of individuals to be very literally eternal. -- playing to the survival instinct honed through millions of years of evolution.
*Now, the anointed will die before Armageddon, contradicting Jesus word that they would not pass away. both Jesus and the bible and wt contradict each other, no wonder, not having a common plan oe script. , and -- just analising, not buying into it any more.
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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?
by LifesNotOver ini know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.
i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.
we currently are separated - i have left him.
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Grr T: "I'm not sure I really understand why folks feel the need to make sure their ex can remarry
or, some want to make sure their ex can not remarry.
only the innocent party can automatically remarry, according to wt. If the adulterer[ss] wants to stay a witness, they must obtain permission from the wronged ex to remarry. so:who wants to stay a witness and burn? but I have seen it, a handsome man waiting years for permission from his ex wife.
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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...
by freddo inwell how's it going round your way?
massive increase of interested ones?
did you even know it was supposed to be happening?
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sratchme110: "--n more people like a business mode
Yeah in this cong. it was the lowest Sunday attendance ever, and talking about "business" looked at study wt magazine August 2016 last page 32. look at the cart logo: " Geschaeftsstelle"-- no truer words =" Business location" in german. snare and a racket that is a business. Wt said it.
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Women's Place In Jehovah's Arrangement
by TMS in"i do not permit a woman to teach or to exercize authority over a man, but to be in silence.
" these inspired words are frequently quoted to help define the role of women among jehovah's witnesses.
then eve.
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WT actually favours females over males, young males, who, if not spiritually neutered, would represent real challenges to the control wt exercises. Think of it, a bright teenage boy will be delivering bible readings, with no comment for years, while perhaps debating Plato's ideas in high school, whereas a young female will at that time give talks, -oops- conversations from the platform, in effect teaching the congregation on matters of wt doctrines. The average wt female has more wt microphone time than the average male.
smiddy, if truth would be known, many female partakers would like nothing better than being male rulers rather than wt-defined females without facial hair. In effect yearning for the day of their golden years when they can shed their female disguise and ascend to their dream existence, the male one.
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Women's Place In Jehovah's Arrangement
by TMS in"i do not permit a woman to teach or to exercize authority over a man, but to be in silence.
" these inspired words are frequently quoted to help define the role of women among jehovah's witnesses.
then eve.
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proofreading
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OUTLAW: "jws pray in Chinese restaurants,
often--because they have two prayer meals,1) one to give thanks, and 2) at the end asking for forgiveness for gluttony. Rants about restaurants
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This may be a crazy question, but it popped in my head and won't leave. . So I gotta ask. . .
by Miss Worldly inok, this probably applies to most faith systems that believe in any sort of afterlife, but i would like to know what sort of explanation the jw's would come up with for this little problem, you know, after armageddon on earthly paradise.
sorry if i sound dumb, but it's been nagging at me for a few weeks and have to ask.. so, what if a young married jw couple are living their life, waiting for the big a, knowing they will be together in the earthly paradise, then very sadly one of them dies.
from what i know, if a jw dies, that's it.
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JB: "The resurrected are like angles they do not marry.
It's a bible Jesus thing not a JW rule.Jws that are resurrected to heaven do marry-- in the " the marriage of the lamb". Marriage after Armageddon was our big defense; whenever a not to subtle, unsolicited proposal came our way, the comment was : We belong to AA a-- after Armageddon, anonymous , anno circa 1958. wt teaching had it, you had it, even then you would have to wait a thousand years to have a really perfect husband.PS: that line also confirmed your firm wt belief that the end was near, no resurrection no show at the altar envisioned.
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This may be a crazy question, but it popped in my head and won't leave. . So I gotta ask. . .
by Miss Worldly inok, this probably applies to most faith systems that believe in any sort of afterlife, but i would like to know what sort of explanation the jw's would come up with for this little problem, you know, after armageddon on earthly paradise.
sorry if i sound dumb, but it's been nagging at me for a few weeks and have to ask.. so, what if a young married jw couple are living their life, waiting for the big a, knowing they will be together in the earthly paradise, then very sadly one of them dies.
from what i know, if a jw dies, that's it.
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Miss worldly, you would miss being worldly as a jw, but when this question is asked, I always refer to the male breast. it is a perfect example of structure without function and would illustrate what could happen to those resurrected . I never had any drive to nurse a baby. now, many couples are real soul mates, particularly later in life, but marriage , sex-based is particularly good for the kids. so, there is yet to have demonstrated to us any resurrection, talking snakes and any other wt ideas. so, until we will see any of these dysfunctional breasts above a non-navel, find more worthy subjects to pursue.
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the new understanding
by heathen inhi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .
what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .
any comments ?.
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and since pentecost christians are " transplanted into the KINGDOM OF THE SON--", not the one of 1914, colossians 1: 13.