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  "New Light" and the Watchtower's quasi legal disclaimer

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this interesting quasi legal religious statement at the bottom of this 》》》 jw.org page advertising "bible-based books and magazines":.

  some updates made to digital publications may not yet appear in the printed edition.. glad to know that jehovah and the governing body have seen fit to inform the entire world that certain doctrinal teachings of "truth" may differ between digital and print edition of the watchtower magazine and bible-based books.

  doesn't say much for the credibility of the guardians of doctrine.. confusingly, some of the doctrinal teachings, particularly in the online versions of bible-based books and magazines from the watchtower, have already undergone updates but these updates only appear in the new digital version of the new printed edition.. good thing we have a digital-only version of the "research guide for jehovah's witnesses" which is updated every year to contain all the references to the new teachings and interpretations of the bible.

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  very pertinent question, if the elders take nit picking doctrinal apostasy questions seriously. Of course it really does not matter.

  In the 70s there was the case in the foreign language field, when certain refinements to the "marriage bed"/porneia issue were printed, but did not become translated until weeks later. The wt mag was studies in that language, but the english wt at that point already had flipped back to the more tolerant, " yes, it is bad, but only outside marriage " kind of understanding, so, the anxious young couples had to be reassured, no, this it is already old light, (although to you it was new light today) so, turn off the light, shut the door and don't worry about this sunday's wt study.
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  The Great Crowd!

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

  a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

  this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

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  of the tribe of Joseph--Ephraim and Manasseh--but excludes the tribe of Dan)

  GLTirebiter: That switch always gave comfort to me, and should to many users here, because:

  Joseph was the original whistleblower, hated by all the other jws of his time, and got a double reward for it, so , watch out wt, joseph is alive and well here.

  the 144000 could not be the great crowd, but the 12 tribes that they come out of could could be. .
  
  
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  how to not get in trouble when addressing your comcerns about the organization during a shepharding call

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so just finished telling your concerns about the pedophiles cover up, failed prophecies, revisionists history and lack of financial transparency.

  so elders ask you the questions.

  " so does this mean you don't want to to be a jw anymore?

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  then they ask "do you believe Jehovah is directing his organization today?

  nowhat?--answer: who else would be? obviously he is watching watchtower, keeping it going to see what "heavier judgement" he is going met out, including to you.

  James 3:1,subtly remind them they are the ones that are in trouble, setting up their judgement, that starts with the "house of god"
  
  
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  What Was Your Favorite Kingdom Song?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  funny but for whatever reason, i can't stop singing walking in integrity from the old songbook!

  it's in my head and in my opinion it was one of the few songs i really liked..

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  I agree with blondie question, , suppress the wt lyrics, I am a melody man, and " We thank you --" stood out as a melody, on par with God save the Queen, Deutschland , and the Russian national Anthem. How about "power divine"? used to hum it in the service when alone. current , no-service humming list : 111,134,106 ,104,82, most the new ones? , the product of an overlapping twisted mind.
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  Does The Multiverse Really Exist? (Shrinking Jehovah To Insignificance)

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq5sr2z-pvm.

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  Am I the only one who can see the same face in three of those blue bubbles ? Am I unique?

  smiddy, yes you are. one reason the multiverse idea is so appealing to some is, because it is a way to allow for life supposedly to have appeared by chance alone. so these faces you see are an illusion, each bubble is unique like you.

  The multiverse hypothesis, just kicks the ball down the road, because did it make itself?and:

  The laws in our own universe worked perfectly enough to have us appear. uniquely.
  
  
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  Noah a Preacher of Righteousness?

  by Spoletta in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the watchtower study today, i browsed genesis and looked for evidence of noah ever preaching to anyone.

  from what i could glean from the scriptures, it was a foregone conclusion that noah's family would be it on the ark.

  (unless they towed some rafts behind) my wife says that building the ark could be considered a witness of his faith to the wicked world, but that seems kind of lame to me.. so, should i just assume that god decided not to give anyone else a chance for redemption?

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  wt always made a difference between preaching (warning) and disciple-making work, aka bible study. Noah was not trying to make disciples. at best perhaps trying to recruit people to help him, that, with a false hope of salvation through works. That what wt does. free labor for the non-existing hope of salvation.

  Noah and Jesus were wood workers, If you have ever worked manually with wood, even when not using dull bronze age handtools, all day long, day in and day out, you will do little else. (Jesus quit it to do the preaching)

  The preaching is more believable than the joinery to lift elephants above everest.
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  France: Where all donations are going? Germany?

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  source: http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/publications/assoccpt/pdf/2015/3108/398996694_31082015.pdf.

  "nothing is hidden.

  jehovah's eyes sees everything.

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  donations in France seems to be very little...

  sp74bb: They have to watch their wallets, France is the country with the longest overlapping generation. 122 years just for juste one group, voire Jeanne Calment 122 plus years. ca est calment.
  
  
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  Class Action Lawsuit Against The Watchtower Corporation By The Multitude Left Penniless After A Vow Of Poverty And Obediance Lasting Decades

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well i think as the exposure becomes greater of the wt hypocrisy and cover up that the likelihood of this happening great.

  no retirement funds for all those laid off when they were no longer profitable due to old age has got to bite these guys in the ass some day.. and maybe in the process of man's enlighten world view and a better understanding the cruelty of disfellowshipping member and enforcing a communication ban ones family members may open them up from another class action lawsuit over such egregious action caused by a religious printing organization domination over peoples action through deceit and clever lies about supernatural claims of authority.. either way i think they are going to need a lot of outside legal help in the future as lawsuits will pile up around the world which that alone could dry up all their funds in defense costs..

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  fat chance for: "your rewards will be in the heavens" it was always understood that the resurrection hope, assured through maximised wt slavery, would be the reward. and "your father will provide all these things" Math. 6:33. If the wt god does not follow through, is that wt's fault?
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  Nic's Alternative Xmas Message.

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've done a few of these over the years but this time it's very simple.. beware jc, the bearded man who promises salvation and raises the hopes of many.

  read his words of division if you're ever tempted to join his followers, or just ignore him and enjoy your life.

  happy holidays everyone!

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  Today we celebrate my parents' anniversary. Because a long time ago my dad figured nothing would be open.

  and hey decided to change that. a good opening move, and the rest is history.
  
  
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  France: Where all donations are going? Germany?

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  source: http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/publications/assoccpt/pdf/2015/3108/398996694_31082015.pdf.

  "nothing is hidden.

  jehovah's eyes sees everything.

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  going to Germany?, yes, you seem to hear that so much these days, from afghanistan to gambia. , A very permissive setup. a lot of shady goings on there. but bethel germany is efficirnt:

  perhaps jws are contributing so much money because they think it is a substitute for useless house to house service hours. . schuldgeld sans frontieres.