I found her observational humour and her common sense dismantling of the whole jw mess brilliant! I'd love to record her show but bbc iplayer won't let me ... Hope many JWs heard it too since it was on Radio 4 midday...and here's the odd thing...I was travelling between clients and would normally listen to my cd..but ..for some strange reason, something (someone??!) made me choose to listen to the radio...Divine intervention?..Perhaps?!!
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Hilarious Radio Standup By An Ex-Witness
by pale.emperor inguys, you gotta check this out.
she explains the whole religion in a very funny way.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3#play.
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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?
by aboveusonlysky in'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.
shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.
that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.
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Village Idiot..No. The carer was one of a team of carers who looked after my wife. The difference is that the carer went above and beyond by taking unpaid time out to deal with personal hygiene matters etc and even took my wife out for meals etc in her own time. The carer never was a JW . To the shame of my fellow JWs at the time, none of them offered to help me or even made time to visit my wife when she became bedbound. But, they would call round (3 at a time !) to count time in trying to conduct a study, even though my wife was unable to understand or make sense of study material as her mind was quite far gone....
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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?
by aboveusonlysky in'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.
shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.
that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.
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In my own case they were prejudiced from the start. I was not prepared to cave in and apologize for something which most people would have considered to be kindness. My sin? Repaying a particularly caring carer with a meal for looking after my late wife. I was brought up to be kind and considerate to all and the elders warped perception of acts of kindness made no allowance for my 'kind nature'. Looking back, the elders could not 'show any mercy' beacuse to do so would be to admit to their own failings/shortcomings. Catch 22...Elders are aloof and unwilling or unable to mitigate their own judgmentalism....Judicial committees are thus flawed from the start........
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Do they know what 7.5 billion dead bodies look like?
by jambon1 inin their sick and twisted bubble that they live in, the jehovahs witnesses clearly have no idea about the logistical nightmare of disposing of 7.5 billion corpses.. when i heard an elder once say that it will be a joy to clear away the wicked from the earth, he actually had a smile on his face.. can they even begin to imagine what 7.5 billion dead men, women, children & babies looks like?.
"let the eye feel no sorrow".
sick bastards..
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The JWs have failed to convince others by reasoning, studying, meetings, mags, or special talks. Does this mean that all non Jws are evil or deserving of death? No. It just exposes the ineptness and divisiveness of the Jw mentality. Perhaps it's time for 'the very stones to cry out' with the real truth of it all.....
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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...
by freddo inwell how's it going round your way?
massive increase of interested ones?
did you even know it was supposed to be happening?
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Ah, that explains why a weekend ago various JWs were going up and down the street (past my home) and then back again, making sure everyone had been called on (except me). This weekend..?..Nothing..! Job done..
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Is This Crap For Real? FREE SPEECH CRACKDOWN: EU orders British press NOT to reveal when terrorists are Muslims
by freemindfade inhow has offending become the worst crime of the 21st century?
actually, forget being offensive, just telling the truth that may be uncomfortable or offensive.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/717627/free-speech-crackdown-eu-report-british-press-hate-crime-violence-terror.
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perhaps it might be for the best..as it'll will deny the terrorist Muslim the limelight of martydom.....since they seem to thrive in committing attrocities and claiming 'responsibility'....just a thought..
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Counting time
by Emma ini may not have put this in the correct spot, but i do think it's scandalous the way time gets counted now.
i've seen a cart at the edge of our farmer's market, never anyone close enough to talk.
yesterday was a drizzly day and there were two carts set up, covered in plastic, "witnessing" on their own.
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Seem to remember when we had a service meeting item, , some years ago, which dealt with when, and how, time could be counted. It was really quite strict and was clearly aimed at counting only effective contact hours. Nowadays, anything goes! I've seen carts where brothers/sisters are just hanging around, yapping to each other, yet no member of the public go near...Is this really what the 'lifesaving , preach at it urgently, the time is reduced, how will they hear unless someone bears witness..etc ' work has been reduced to? It's nothing more than a sham, a pathetic token gesture, a nod to those who in years past, endured ridicule, hardship, and hostility as they, no doubt sincerely, sought out those who were searching, and might listen to the 'KIngdom Message'. What a mess it has become these days! They'll be counting time for putting on make up and using the loo prior to going out with their trolleys/carts next...anything to boost their Kingdom Hall Credibility Factor....
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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purpose of life is to avoid death at all costs..!
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Update: Got my Judicial Committee cancelled
by Sanchy inoriginal thread here.
update: so, after the meeting i had with elders a few weeks ago as outlined in my original thread, they met as a body and once again called to tell me that after considering my case they still thought a judicial committee should be held against me and asked to be there "thursday at 7:30".
all of this, i remind you, because of posting coc on facebook.
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You regretted posting it on fb....etc etc...so you betrayed yourself and played by their rules..but..you may yet have trouble in store as you quoted their own rule book to them.. and in effect, gave them counsel/reproof..... This book is not for your eyes and they will now know you have ventured into forbidden fruit territory. Naughty! you will face a jc....sooner rather than later. yep, the wolves are circling, but you have fed them!
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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice
by xxBettyBoopxx inthis site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.
but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.
tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.
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Your second question re holy spirit betrays a lack of trust in them and God....you have doubts....you dare to raise such a question! You should be df...oh wait, you already are!! Actually, whatever you do, I wish you well....