Ray Franz seems to have been a genuine man who painstakingly took the effort to verify truth and factual accounts of what happened....Love reading his books....
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Was Ray Franz Playing The Long Game?
by rory-ks ini'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.
letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.
reports are quoted vebatim.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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westiebilly11
Why are women and others marching to gain rights? Surely, if Obama had done a good job all such rights would exist anyway. If not, then he is to blame for what he didn't do, not Trump for what he hasn't yet done. Time will tell.
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A question for those who still go to the meetings
by no-zombie inand it is ... why do most at the hall prefer to sit at the back and leave front rows empty?.
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westiebilly11
Proximity to loos.....generally at back of halls.
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Now THAT is one messed up witness
by pale.emperor inmy youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.
check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.
jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.
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Interesting discussion...
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There is a NEW Songbook?!
by My Name is of No Consequence ini am not talking about the one that the org came out with in 2010. i am talking about a new one that just came out.
it is completely different or is it just the 135 songs from the 2010 songbook plus the 16 that they have rolled out since then?
my head is spinning!.
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Never underestimate the power to control thoughts/emotions etc that such songs have. Everyone singing the same song, same words, all being gently conditioned to accept ....What might appear banal and dull is actually a vital part of programming..almost sublimal.
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Marking Talks are back!?!?! - New Name!
by thedepressedsoul inwhen i was younger i used to hear about "marking talks" given in the past.
i believe they stopped in the 80's or 90's.
basically, if someone wasn't baptized or doing something unrepentant, they would get a "marking talk" and be treated the same as a df person.
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In my own experience, when I was before a judicial committee hearing, I was told that a 'marking talk' had been given some months earlier , and that I should have heeded it. When I said how would I recognize that such a talk was aimed at me if I had done nothing/was doing nothing wrong, they couldn't reply..Crazy system. Ticking boxes but a corporate failure..
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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..would be nice if 'Jehovah angels' did a little more to look after the vulnerable children in their care.....or perhaps they get a kick out of watching children being abused..since they see everything. The arrogance of 'A Be Leaver' amazes me.....def something false about him/her.....
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Mexico branch......Now closing!!!
by krismalone ina circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.
i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!
this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.
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beware rumours..potentially credibility destroying.
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Quality of newer membership
by Lostandfound inon a previous post mamacita29 pointed up the low quality of new jw converts.. is the quality falling even more as the society use lower than low meeting, talks, broadcasts etc.. when i was active initially the organisation and standards seemed totally different today.
i have seen hard working intelligent elders fall by death or exhaustion.
the younger generation that came along never really grasped responsibility hence shortage of good elders, never mind the watered down to almost nothing quality of meetings.
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30 plus years ago when I 'joined up', the material being studied was really quite meaty and required reasonable intelligence. My first study with an elder was the Freedom as Sons of God book....! Subsequent books/subjects such as Babylon the Great book, and Types and Anti-Types, Shadows etc etc..really deep stuff, but somehow more satisfying than the watered down, keep ears tickled, propaganda passed off as the word of God these days......In hindsight though, what added to the depth and feeling for meetings was the presence ,in our congregation at least , of an elderly lady and man of the Annointed class...Every meeting was flavoured by their 'deep spiritual' comments...
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If gossiping was a D.Fing offence how many in your congro would be D.Fed?
by karter inthere goes at least half the elders wife's alot of the publishers.
karter.
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westiebilly11
Gossip and tittle tattle were rife in my old congregation. Much of it dispensed and incited by wives of elders of all ages, as well as idle single sisters with too much time on their hands. Many the time when I listened to a widow or infirm elderly one who opened their heart to me in pain at the unjust and often malicious gossip they'd heard. One widow in particular would openly cry and when I encouraged her to go to the elders she'd say that it was just too hard to do, since it was their wives who were the gossipers...So cruel...