huh...what the hell is this thread about?
Turtles or celestial mechanics?
Saintbertholdt
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Heliocentric Hole #1: Start of the Universe
by Coded Logic inadjective.
having or representing the sun as the center, as in the accepted astronomical model of the solar system.. .
the idea that the earth orbits the sun is not right because we don't know how the big bang happened.
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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life
by shadow indisclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.
yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.
i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.
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Saintbertholdt
My two cents:
If there is one thing humans like to do, it is to compartmentalize. When we get to the borders of silos, whether they are personal borders between classifiers or whether they are imposed by civilization, things tend to get fuzzy for a while, that is until a new intermediary silo can be constructed (if that intermediary turns out to be important).
Let me explain what I mean: Chemistry can be reduced to Physics. However explaining chemical reactions in terms of physics becomes not only a laborious task, but becomes so complicated that except for a bunch of crazy quantum chemists, chemical reactions are not generally described in those terms. Rather the emergent properties of chemical elements and their molecules are used to make rules that generally hold true, for example: Acid + Base --> Water + Salt. This simplifies the work of chemists considerably. Just as Chemistry is Physics, so Biology is actually Chemistry. In Nature these borders between disciplines do not exist, but in our minds and civilizations we compartmentalize these things into silos for sanity's sake.
Evolution is an emergent property of Chemistry, very particular Chemistry under very specific conditions. To me the statement 'Abiogenesis is not evolution' is moot. The emergent property of the evolutionary algorithm starts running the moment specific criteria is met. When a molecule can self replicate and the copy process code itself can be altered by itself, then the evolutionary process starts up.
Is this my own discovery? No. This is covered in a new silo christened: Systems chemistry - The chemistry of self replicating molecules.
Footnote: At its basic level I am to understand that this universe is discrete. However everything from there onwards seems to exist in a continuum due to the overwhelming quantity of these discrete interactions.
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The Evolution of Humans
by fulltimestudent intracing the evolutionary path of humans is complicated.
simply because human and proto-human remains (including bones) are perishable.
remains from the distant past are usually only preserved when some unique features exist that assist preservation.
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Saintbertholdt
juandefiero,
You are wrong. Chesses was not the original pronunciation.
It sounded more like Cheezestick.
And he died on a bun, not a grill.
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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Saintbertholdt
Hi Coded Logic, you wrote: I know a lot of Christians believe in evolution but I've never understood how such a belief is structured. My personal experience might be a little different as I didn't accept evolution until after I realized the Bible was something I couldn't justify believing as "divinely inspired".
I'm going to echo Sir82's sentiments, the Catholic church today addresses the problem the same way that Russell originally did: God used evolution but Adam and Eve were specific creations of God.
I find it sort of unsatisfactory and disjointed but it does solve many problems though.
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A Thought Experiment
by InjusticeSystem ini am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .
the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?
i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?
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Saintbertholdt
...what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?
My first answer does not address your question as it relates to the canopy theory but is rather in line with the question: What if the creation myth was true and evolution was not a real process:
Biological design flaws would not be present e.g. Vas deferens routing
Vestigial pseudo genes for things like tails would not be present in humans.
Probably no animals would posses the combination of canine teeth and claws.
Some things one would expect to find with a factual canopy theory (I could not think of anything specifically related to genetics):
1. A fossil jumble in the Geological layers. Human with T-Rex skeletons and so on. And these jumbled layers would also be found on a grand and global scale.
2. Polar Dinosaurs frozen in relative proximity to mammals like Mammoths in Siberia, with their frozen Dinosaur flesh still attached to the skeletons, in the same way that some Mammoths were found in Siberia.
3. Kangaroo's and Kuala's in the Middle East and not just in Australia.
4. No oil or coal. Instead mega layers of biological decay.
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Saintbertholdt
There are no holes in that cheese. The faithful and discreet cheese slave was chosen by the Great Cheesemaker after the devastating cheese shortage of 1929. Subsequently the recipe of the cheese improved and all holes were removed. That image is just some propaganda which originated from the Chalk factory.
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What are the biggest holes in the ransom sacrifice?
by Half banana inhow honest are the proponents of jesus as the ransom sacrifice?.
curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?.
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Saintbertholdt
The biggest hole in the ransom sacrifice in my opinion is that there was no risk involved.
According to the Old Testament Jesus would be resurrected on the third day and therefore the whole exercise was a foregone conclusion. So what did it prove? It only showed that an individual would do what is needed if the reward was great enough. Compared to the story of Job, the ransom seems hollow. If Jesus had died and was not resurrected, now that would have been a real sacrifice.
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Man Killed in car crash watching Porn
by StoneWall inmakes me wonder what "flashed" before his eyes at moment of impact/death.http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/82584838-story
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When Captain America Throws His Mighty Shield!
by Cold Steel inhow does the society feel about two of marvel's most popular avengers?.
first, captain america.
the star-spangled man with a plan.
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Saintbertholdt
The society would definitely condemn both heroes.
If I was a Jehovah's Witness I would be drawing parallels between the pervasiveness of these modern mythologies and those of ancient Rome before its fall.
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So anyone see the Captain America Civil War trailer yet?It looks like War Machine may kick the bucket while Captain America and Bucky are just hammering Iron Man.
Its gonna be soooooo sweeeeeet!