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  Photodrama of creation: Solar system has 12 planets?

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the photodrama of creation there's a picture of the solar system.. there are 12 solar orbiting objects.

  (also a 13th orbit which seems to be a comet, probably halley).

  does anyone know where russell got this from?.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Suraj,

  Pluto had not yet been discovered, and would not be until after Russell's death.

  The 12th object is after Neptune.

  As far as I understand it, a 9th planet was already guessed at in the late 19th century.
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  Photodrama of creation: Solar system has 12 planets?

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the photodrama of creation there's a picture of the solar system.. there are 12 solar orbiting objects.

  (also a 13th orbit which seems to be a comet, probably halley).

  does anyone know where russell got this from?.

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  Saintbertholdt

  It's probably 3 of the largest asteroids such as Ceres, Pallas and Vesta.
  

  Thanks VI,

  Could explain it. I wonder where Russell got the chart from?

  And the comet (?) is doing well to get between Mercury and the Sun.

  I assumed it was Halley

  

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  With Russell's interpretations on Pleiades and the Great Pyramid, I sometimes feel as if the old WT literature should be used as a plot point in a Ghost Busters type movie :)
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  Photodrama of creation: Solar system has 12 planets?

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the photodrama of creation there's a picture of the solar system.. there are 12 solar orbiting objects.

  (also a 13th orbit which seems to be a comet, probably halley).

  does anyone know where russell got this from?.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi Max,

  Thought of that because the extra objects are between Jupiter and earth.

  But then each extra object is specified with a dot, so it can't represent belts of objects.

  Perhaps specific asteroids???
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  Photodrama of creation: Solar system has 12 planets?

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the photodrama of creation there's a picture of the solar system.. there are 12 solar orbiting objects.

  (also a 13th orbit which seems to be a comet, probably halley).

  does anyone know where russell got this from?.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi there all,

  In the Photodrama of creation there's a picture of the solar system.

  There are 12 solar orbiting objects. (Also a 13th orbit which seems to be a comet, probably Halley)

  Does anyone know where Russell got this from?

  And what are the unknown orbiting objects?

  
  
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  Standing for Judge Okay - Standing for Anthem Wrong

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for decades before leaving, i always found this contradiction so hypocritical, and one of the harshest, emotionally damaging, things that this cult does to its young.

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  Saintbertholdt

  From Legally establishing the good news (1950):

  You will show respect to the Judge presiding and to the prosecuting attorney... In many courts all present are required to rise and stand as the judge enters. The Society considers that this does not constitute a violation of God's law. It is an act of respect similar to rising from our chairs to greet one who enters our home. Paul set the example for us to follow when he appeared before kings, rulers, judges and courts. When being beard before the visiting king, Agrippa, he was interrupted by Festus. Paul tactfully said, "most noble Festus."
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  Standing for Judge Okay - Standing for Anthem Wrong

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for decades before leaving, i always found this contradiction so hypocritical, and one of the harshest, emotionally damaging, things that this cult does to its young.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Judges are viewed by the law and governments as temporary aristoi. Supreme court justices as permanent aristoi. Aristocracy has actually never left modern democracies, just taken a different form.

  According to the Bible you can honor princes and kings, therefore standing is ok.
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  Interview with Zimbabwe's Minister of Tourism at JW HQ

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  zimbabwe has been under the rule of a dictator since 1980. robert mugabe, the president of zimbabwe, is notorious for his ruthless ways of dealing with the problems of a post-colonial country.

  his land reforms resulted in much economic hardship for the people of zimbabwe and anyone who was a white farmer in zimbabwe suffered dire consequences as a result of mugabe's land grabs post-2000.

  the atrocities against the people of zimbabwe have been documented by cathy buckle and i have personally heard of the violence against those opposed to mugawbe's policies.. some comments from a 2003 article about robert mugabe:.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Oh wow,

  So with the video in the original post you have one dictatorship complementing another. How wonderful.
  

  In 2007 I participated in an Amnesty International writing campaign protesting against Zimbabwe's ban of a prayer meeting and the resulting government violence against the assembly. To this day you can't directly snail mail Zimbabwe's government because they just don't process offending mail when they receive a slew of letters after a known human rights violation. During the campaign we had to mail the President of the United Republic of Tanzania to therefore indirectly put pressure on the Zimbabwe government at an international summit.

  Totalism has the same characteristics in government and religion.
  

  
  
  
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  Need the hardest evidence possible that humans have lived for more than 6000 years

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  since coming out of the witnesses, i have gone through a transformation in thought and in mind.

  i started with the usual: i thought that jesus was god.

  then i investigated more about the bible and thought that the bible was not true, given the many contradictions, failed prophecies, etc.. then i investigated evolution and read lots and now i accept evolution and natural selection as things that are true.. now, i need to make my dad rethink everything.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Humans have 23 chromosomes,
  All other apes have 24 chromosomes.

  This would seem to show that humans are unique and therefore probably a separately created species.

  Hooray for creationism.

  However evolutionists would speculate that perhaps two chromosomes got fused together over time and over many generations.

  So where's the hard evidence?

  At the beginning and the end of each chromosome is a telomere. These are markers to indicate the endpoints of a chromosome.

  TCT <-- Telomere, Chromosome gene sequences, Telomere

  If two chromosomes fused together you would expect to find a telomere sequence in the middle of the new fused chromosome.
  

  TCTTCT <-- Two chromosomes fused together

  And this is what has been found on chromosome 2 of homo sapiens. This explains why humans have 23 chromosomes and not 24:

  IJdo JW, Baldini A, Ward DC, Reeders ST, Wells RA, Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusion. Procedures of the National Academy of Science USA 1991 Oct 15;88(20):9051-5;

  http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/88/20/9051.pdf

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  Evolution in chickens:

  1. Chickens have vestigial tooth DNA. In an experiment the tooth gene was re-activated during chicken embryo development and the embryos started developing teeth.

  http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mutant-chicken-grows-alli/

  2. Also T-Rex collagen protein found in a T-Rex bone that broke and that was originally found by Jack Horner, reacted to avian antibodies taken from avian tissue indicating that it was a bird protein.

  So T-Rex probably tasted like KFC.

  http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080424-trex-mastodon.html
  

  The above two points show that birds have dinosaur ancestry.

  3. Dinosaurs with teeth ate meat. So either Dinosaurs were there after the flood when God commanded man and beast to commence eating meat (according to Genesis)...which means Noah carried them on the Ark and let them out on mount Ararat.

  OR if dinosaurs ate meat before the flood it means the Bible in Genesis is fibbing when it says all animals were vegetarian: "...And to every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving ...I have given all green vegetation for food." (Genesis 1:30)

  http://oceansofkansas.com/plesio4.html
  

  
  
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  Geoffery Jackson Plan Against the Commission

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  geoffrey jackson will attempt to df them all, shun them, take away their privileges, write a wt article on them, have the elders talk to them, their family cut off ties with them, read them watchtower articles, tell them they need to submit at least 10 hours per month etc... .

  then, the "oh shit" look on his face moment when he realizes he has no power outside of his pinky ring club.

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  Saintbertholdt

  I think Geoffrey Jackson will make a good showing. Here's why: He'll have gone through the testimony and will be well acquainted with the Angus Stewart's line of questioning.
  

  I think Marvin Shilmer comments were accurate:

  1. Jackson will defend past policy as an honest--though perhaps flawed--attempt to abide by public policy on mandatory reporting. 2. He will further express appreciation to the Royal Commission for its initiative to move Australia toward a uniform public policy in relation to mandatory reporting, whatever that might require of Watchtower and its appointees. 3. Otherwise he will offer as much cooperation as the Commission requests related to the matter of responding to reports of child molestation.

  UNLESS...

  Jackson's a complete idiot, which by all accounts he does not seem to be.

  
  
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  I Made the Literature Trolley Run Away Today - Twice

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i popped into town this morning to buy an anniversary card for mrs cofty.

  it is market day on a saturday and it's tourist season so the town was very busy.

  here is a picture of the scene from a year ago... two cult carts were in their favourite place being guarded by none other than one of the elders who was on my judicial committee, his wife and another jw woman in her electric disability buggy.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Brian - Silence but blink-rate rising rapidly.

  I started to smile.

  ...while Faye almost pulls a wheelie in her scooter and heads off down the High Street through a crowd of startled tourists.

  I started to chuckle.

  ..."One thing about apostates, they are really good liars"

  ..."Don't believe me Brian take a look at the official government website."

  and that's why Jehovah warned us about the evil internets.