I am a pennypincher, a frugalist. Does anyone know the R value of dryer lint?
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89What does everyone here DO anyway?
by In_between_days inhi everyone,.
i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.
i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.
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Will silentlambs Be DF???
by silentlambs inwell now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.
i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?
what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.
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As I mentioned a number of weeks ago this is an excellent PR move for the WTS.
Perhaps, Hillary. But if those being summoned before judicial committees are from different congregations, wouldn't this be evidence of orchestration from the top as opposed to local control of matters? Are the Society's lawyers really thinking the asset protection issue through if they allow these cases to be concurrent? It appears to this feeble brain that if individuals in different congregations were simultaneously brought up on the same charges, it would indicate hierarchal, not grass roots control and open the floodgates for a hierarchal legal remedy.
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Witnesses! Reject The Spirit of Rehoboam!
by metatron inonce upon a time, the people of israel were tired from.
years of corruption and heavy taxation.
so, they told .
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metatron,
This is uncanny! Yesterday, after reading the thread about the circuit overseer's talk promoting shunning of "inactive", I thought about Rehoboam. My first inclination was to think that the WTBS had misplayed this whole inactive/apostate/stumbled scenario.
On second thought, perhaps organizational self-preservation DEMANDS isolation from those whose real life experiences contradict the image the Watchtower projects for itself.
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The "Boomer's" Crusades
by LoneWolf inthere are a few caveats id like to make right here at the beginning.
the term boomer is an all-inclusive term, and on its face is an injustice.
the forces that i speak of in this post did not originate with that generation, nor will they end with it.
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”All generalizations are false, including this one.”
LoneWolf,
No generation was spoiled more by materialism than the one you refer to as the “boomers”. As kids they donned coonskin caps and twirled hoola hoops sensuously around their well-fed middles. Huge two ton tanks called furys, vics and belaires transported them from their two bedroom suburban palaces to huge shopping centers where they loaded the back seat with sacks filled with cheerios, 7-up and lincoln logs.
Did they appreciate how hard their daddies worked at the plant to provide these things? Hell, no.
They rebelled. And disrespected.
”We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee
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And we don't take our trips on LSD
And we don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street
But we like living right and being free
We don't make a party out of loving
But we like holding hands and pitching woo
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy
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The Org cracks down on the Apostle AK...
by TheApostleAK inbeen going to all the meetings lately and have hardly been shunned (they haven't made the announcement yet).. they've now made sure that i can't get magazines/literature anymore as they canceled my wt/awake order and they canceled literature that i had on order.
they said (elders) that it's society policy.. should the apostle kick up a stink??.
from ak
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I like doing the crossword puzzle.........
All facetiousness aside, the denial of literature, "Kingdom Ministry", handling of Memorial emblems and countless other JW perks is all typical psychological controlling leverage used by the loving shepherds. The fact that someone can circumvent the "arrangement" and photocopy a KM or get the latest two "Bible journals" on the street, doesn't heal the wound of knowing that you are "unauthorized" and guilty of possessing spiritual contraband.What a freedom it finally is to no longer have a psychological need for the latest 32 page, 4 page or 8 page trimmed, folded, and/or stapled piece of cellulose from the "faithful slave".
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Tiny Cracks in the Foundation
by TMS intwo unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.
they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.
returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .
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I have known Fred Lanier since approximately 1955, when he weighed about 145 pounds. The kingdom hall was on Duffy Street in Savannah, GA. It was an ex-church of some kind. You'da thought they wouldn't use it - demons and all.
I know that Fred had some pretty settled ideas on things he knew absolutely nothing about. And would base his opinions in judicial meetings on these erroneous ideas."At that level" huh? I'll bet he never even realized what he was saying, and how elitist and wrong it was.
But you're right, Fred is kindly. Not like some of the others, like C.B., a real "sheep skinner."
Francois
Francois,
Fred and I were out making return visits one afternoon. He was driving and made a left turn directly in front of two young ladies. The other driver absolutely laid on the horn and gave Fred a double-handed middle finger salute while screaming obscenities. Fred never heard a thing.
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PARTING ADVICE TO GILEAD CLASS FROM GOVERNING BODY
Masterji,"Admit Your Mistakes…Refusing to admit our mistakes is like claiming infallibility…Admitting our mistakes is the course of wisdom. How so? ‘No one can maintain the respect of others if he insists that he is right even when confronted with an obvious mistake. How can anyone have confidence in a person who he knows from experience will even sacrifice the truth just to give the appearance that he is right? Admitting a mistake builds in us strength, self-respect. But a failure to do so is cowardly, and it serves to weaken us morally."
Exactly.
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Western Washington
by gsx1138 ini would love to chat with some of you from washington.
especially if you've been a part of the jw's for awhile and left or were df'd.
i know a few of my friends who were df'd but i've lost contact with them.
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I knew Jim Hughes in Kent and Vi Lemm in Auburn.
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Tiny Cracks in the Foundation
by TMS intwo unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.
they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.
returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .
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I know that no person is perfect, no group of people is perfect. The sin is not in making the mistake...the sin is in not owning up to it. --I am constantly reminded of the Pharisees in this connection.
Amen, Frenchy!
For example, if the GB had come out in '76 and said: "Brothers, we got carried away with what we thought was possibly significant chronology. It is with great sadness we have learned that some have made detrimental financial, health and career decisions based on our misleading direction. We humbly before Jehovah beg forgiveness for any harm we have caused."
Many of us would have respected such a pronouncement.
Of course, many such opportunities for humility have been missed and many of the best men and women have eventually moved on with their lives.
TMS
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Tiny Cracks in the Foundation
by TMS intwo unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.
they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.
returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .
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Two unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory. They are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.
Returning from the summer assembly in Kansas City, Missouri in 1969, I was approached by Tom Moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer . He had heard that my wife and I had filled out Gilead applications at the assembly and wanted a word with me. Did I know that missionaries sent to foreign assignments generally needed to be vaccinated to get a passport and that some of the required vaccinations contained blood components? He correctly assessed me as someone who did not compromise. In those days, I would point out a two cent undercharge to a store clerk, so aware was I of not displeasing my heavenly Father. My wife and I visited about this potential quandary, both being disturbed about it, but, as things turned out, never crossed that proverbial bridge.
Some years later, in the fall of 1980, I was sitting with the body of elders, listening to Fred Lanier, a kindly circuit overseer, then about retirement age. The elder’s meeting was just completed, but Fred was not making a move from his chair. Typically, CO’s make a hasty exit after this meeting because they have typing to do, recommendations or deletions to type out, the congregation report, etc. Fred Lanier obviously had more he wanted to say out of the context of the Society’s outline for the meeting. He started to throw out some details concerning the events at Brooklyn in ‘80, mentioning R. Franz and Dunlop. He warned repeatedly about “independent thinking”. He spoke of discussions at Bethel concerning the great crowd being a secondary heavenly class as opposed to an earthly class. Noting the consternation on my face, Fred, as an aside to me, stated: “Well, of course, on that level, discussions like that take place. But that is all kept in confidence.” I recall driving home from that meeting with the phrase “on that level” ringing in my ears. THEY could speculate, but WE could not.
These are two tiny episodes in my life that I suppressed without further thought for many, many years. In almost any other aspect of my life, ignoring details is uncharacteristic. I agonize over which 13.5 ounce can of coffee is the best deal, but in making life’s most important choices, I chose to ignore many obvious warning signs.
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Dissension
by teejay inbeginning over a hundred years ago with the sincerely misguided (albeit egotistical) pastor russell on down to todays corporate incarnation of jehovahs mouthpiece otherwise known as the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, all of the leaderships crimes can be traced to a single kernel of untruth that lies at the very heart of this ungodly organization.
a typical expression of this single but immense seed of falsehood is clearly seen in the following quote, typical of thousands made in the watchtower over the years:... if we fall into the habit of ... ignoring counsel from jehovah through .
his faithful slave class, it will not be long before our hearts become callous, .
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Not much in this life can truly be described as wholly contemptible, but that kind of intolerant arrogance of the viewpoint and, by extension, the personhood of others certainly is. Such an attitude will never be held by one honestly seeking real truth, for truth, the bona fide variety, welcomes, accepts, begs for a challenge – a different viewpoint, no matter its origin. Under such brutal scrutiny, the truth can only be refined and strengthened.
The above paragraph, teejay, would easily fit into a hypothetical Watchtower article, "Are You Afraid of Truth?". Most of us recognize that the WTBS uses "two sets of scales".
Thank you for this insightful thread.
TMS