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  Bill Bowen's Use of "Fake Precision"

  by Psychdigg in

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  the fake precision fallacy involves making a claim with a mathematical precision that is impossible to obtain.. he does this on his site where he starts with an alleged and unsupported figure that the watchtower has a file of some 23,000 child molesters and runs that figure up to the point where it becomes absolutely absurd.

  his purpose is to persuade readers that jehovah's witnesses are a hot bed of child molestation.

  the problem is that he starts with at best very dubious sources and then he takes this data and treats it as if it is precise and factual.. it is not unusual for many of us to use a frivolous "false precision" in making statements.

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  you can be sure the Watchtower organization is not intimidated or impressed by such tactics.

  so?

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  Stupid or Smart move by Watchtower?

  by Beans in

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  do you think it was stupid or smart for the watchtower to call brother bowen and the others in before this scandal goes very public.

  this theocratic warfare i believe was a stupid move if you look at the situation from a jw perspective.. beans.

  http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/

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  The WTBS has spent the last several years emphasizing "local control", decentralizing leadership, severing legal links between the GB and the corporation, etc. No judicial action, notes or elder comments are to EVER link the action to the WTBS.

  Now, with judicial action in different congregations initiated in unison, it sets a precedent of hierarchal control from the top down, just the thing the WTBS has been trying to deny in recent years to limit lawsuit liability.

  Not a very smart move at all.

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  What does everyone here DO anyway?

  by In_between_days in

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  hi everyone,.

  i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.

  i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.

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  I am a pennypincher, a frugalist. Does anyone know the R value of dryer lint?

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  Will silentlambs Be DF???

  by silentlambs in

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  well now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.

  i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?

  what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.

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  As I mentioned a number of weeks ago this is an excellent PR move for the WTS.

  Perhaps, Hillary. But if those being summoned before judicial committees are from different congregations, wouldn't this be evidence of orchestration from the top as opposed to local control of matters? Are the Society's lawyers really thinking the asset protection issue through if they allow these cases to be concurrent? It appears to this feeble brain that if individuals in different congregations were simultaneously brought up on the same charges, it would indicate hierarchal, not grass roots control and open the floodgates for a hierarchal legal remedy.

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  Witnesses! Reject The Spirit of Rehoboam!

  by metatron in

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  once upon a time, the people of israel were tired from.

  years of corruption and heavy taxation.

  so, they told .

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  metatron,

  This is uncanny! Yesterday, after reading the thread about the circuit overseer's talk promoting shunning of "inactive", I thought about Rehoboam. My first inclination was to think that the WTBS had misplayed this whole inactive/apostate/stumbled scenario.

  On second thought, perhaps organizational self-preservation DEMANDS isolation from those whose real life experiences contradict the image the Watchtower projects for itself.

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  The "Boomer's" Crusades

  by LoneWolf in

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  there are a few caveats id like to make right here at the beginning.

  the term boomer is an all-inclusive term, and on its face is an injustice.

  the forces that i speak of in this post did not originate with that generation, nor will they end with it.

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  ”All generalizations are false, including this one.”

  LoneWolf,

  No generation was spoiled more by materialism than the one you refer to as the “boomers”. As kids they donned coonskin caps and twirled hoola hoops sensuously around their well-fed middles. Huge two ton tanks called furys, vics and belaires transported them from their two bedroom suburban palaces to huge shopping centers where they loaded the back seat with sacks filled with cheerios, 7-up and lincoln logs.

  Did they appreciate how hard their daddies worked at the plant to provide these things? Hell, no.

  They rebelled. And disrespected.

  ”We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee
  And we don't take our trips on LSD
  And we don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street
  But we like living right and being free
  We don't make a party out of loving
  But we like holding hands and pitching woo
  We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy
  Like the hippies out in San Francisco do

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  The Org cracks down on the Apostle AK...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  been going to all the meetings lately and have hardly been shunned (they haven't made the announcement yet).. they've now made sure that i can't get magazines/literature anymore as they canceled my wt/awake order and they canceled literature that i had on order.

  they said (elders) that it's society policy.. should the apostle kick up a stink??.

  from ak

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  I like doing the crossword puzzle.........

  
  All facetiousness aside, the denial of literature, "Kingdom Ministry", handling of Memorial emblems and countless other JW perks is all typical psychological controlling leverage used by the loving shepherds. The fact that someone can circumvent the "arrangement" and photocopy a KM or get the latest two "Bible journals" on the street, doesn't heal the wound of knowing that you are "unauthorized" and guilty of possessing spiritual contraband.

  What a freedom it finally is to no longer have a psychological need for the latest 32 page, 4 page or 8 page trimmed, folded, and/or stapled piece of cellulose from the "faithful slave".

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  Tiny Cracks in the Foundation

  by TMS in

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  two unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.

  they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.

  returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .

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  I have known Fred Lanier since approximately 1955, when he weighed about 145 pounds. The kingdom hall was on Duffy Street in Savannah, GA. It was an ex-church of some kind. You'da thought they wouldn't use it - demons and all.
  I know that Fred had some pretty settled ideas on things he knew absolutely nothing about. And would base his opinions in judicial meetings on these erroneous ideas.

  "At that level" huh? I'll bet he never even realized what he was saying, and how elitist and wrong it was.

  But you're right, Fred is kindly. Not like some of the others, like C.B., a real "sheep skinner."

  Francois

  Francois,

  Fred and I were out making return visits one afternoon. He was driving and made a left turn directly in front of two young ladies. The other driver absolutely laid on the horn and gave Fred a double-handed middle finger salute while screaming obscenities. Fred never heard a thing.

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  PARTING ADVICE TO GILEAD CLASS FROM GOVERNING BODY

  "Admit Your Mistakes…Refusing to admit our mistakes is like claiming infallibility…Admitting our mistakes is the course of wisdom. How so? ‘No one can maintain the respect of others if he insists that he is right even when confronted with an obvious mistake. How can anyone have confidence in a person who he knows from experience will even sacrifice the truth just to give the appearance that he is right? Admitting a mistake builds in us strength, self-respect. But a failure to do so is cowardly, and it serves to weaken us morally."

  Masterji,

  Exactly.

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  Western Washington

  by gsx1138 in

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  2. experiences

  i would love to chat with some of you from washington.

  especially if you've been a part of the jw's for awhile and left or were df'd.

  i know a few of my friends who were df'd but i've lost contact with them.

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  I knew Jim Hughes in Kent and Vi Lemm in Auburn.
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  Tiny Cracks in the Foundation

  by TMS in

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  two unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.

  they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.

  returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .

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  I know that no person is perfect, no group of people is perfect. The sin is not in making the mistake...the sin is in not owning up to it. --I am constantly reminded of the Pharisees in this connection.

  Amen, Frenchy!

  For example, if the GB had come out in '76 and said: "Brothers, we got carried away with what we thought was possibly significant chronology. It is with great sadness we have learned that some have made detrimental financial, health and career decisions based on our misleading direction. We humbly before Jehovah beg forgiveness for any harm we have caused."

  Many of us would have respected such a pronouncement.

  Of course, many such opportunities for humility have been missed and many of the best men and women have eventually moved on with their lives.

  TMS