Posts by suavojr

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On the Governing Body -- Then and Now

by sd-7 in

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january 1, 1929 watchtower:.

"no one knew more about the church than its great teacher paul.

it may be said that no man ever exercised so much authority in the church as he.

Confidential Document Email Hijacked!

by Atlantis in

dear friends:.we are under attack by email hijacking and someone is using our email address to send out spam.

it has to be because of the confidential documents that were going out in the emails.

i will have to discontinue the emails and go back to posting the documents on jwn..this is an example of just how badly somone wants to keep these documents out of the public eye.

Watchtower Library 2012 - download.

by Fernando in

please does anyone know if it will be, or is available yet, and if a download link exists yet?.

Remember the illustration of the jar filled with golf balls ?

by troubled mind in

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our co gave the illustration about a jar filled with golf balls ,pebbles and sand ......it was suppose to illustrate how if we put theocratic things first other things like family and entertainment will fit .

blah , i like this explaination much better....... .

a professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him.

suavojr

Pretty nice... Thanks for sharing

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Confidential Materials!

by Atlantis in

all documents of important nature such as, our kingdom ministry, boe letters, forms, or other materials will now be sent only by email or private message communications.

they will not be posted out here on the board.

if someone else wants to post them, be my guest.. .. we have no other choice in this matter, and sending out confidential documents is better when it is done privately.

suavojr

You have a PM/Please include my email

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Did Ray Franz Go On The "Talk Show", "Radio Show", "Church Circuit" To Bash WTS?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

i notice in ray's books he has a disdain for the more vocal dissidents of the watchtower organization.

with this being said, did ray franz go on shows like merv griffen, oprah and other "talk mediums" to attack the watchtower society?

i remember as a kid my mother running up and turning off shows apostates were to appear on, and i can't remember if ray was one of the 'bashers'?

suavojr

Wow MOUTHY you have gone through alot. My respects to you!

After I read Ray's book and listened to Ed's audio commentary, I could sense how honest and lovers of truth these men were. Thanks for confirming my thoughts

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The New Diary of Winston Smith

by WinstonSmith in

we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

suavojr

marked

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Will the year 2034 be the end? Is the WT seeing a glimpse of "NEW LIGHT"?

by suavojr in

cedar mentioned this on another thread talking about 2014 and the wt.

ray also mentioned how easily it would be for the wt to apply the 1 day for a year rule and make 2034 a special year.. .

they already have a contingency plan enshrined in their literature that will see them through to 2034.. http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/2034.html.

suavojr

Thanks for all your input.

Pterist said:

As long as JWs continue to believe that being AWAKE is about dates and chronology, they are ASLEEP to its spiritual intended meaning.

A man is on his way home from work or a journey, if his wife is constantly looking out the window for his arrival, nothing is done. If however, she is busy in her home, she will be ready, regardless of what time her husband returns.

This reminds me of the ten virgins Jesus spoke about. The parable does not criticise the virgins for sleeping, since both groups do that, but for being unprepared. Clearly saying the end is near, setting dates, pushing for numbers instead of godly devotion and pure love for Jesus and the father does not constitute beign prepared.

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Will the year 2034 be the end? Is the WT seeing a glimpse of "NEW LIGHT"?

by suavojr in

cedar mentioned this on another thread talking about 2014 and the wt.

ray also mentioned how easily it would be for the wt to apply the 1 day for a year rule and make 2034 a special year.. .

they already have a contingency plan enshrined in their literature that will see them through to 2034.. http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/2034.html.

suavojr

Cedar mentioned this on another thread talking about 2014 and the WT. Ray also mentioned how easily it would be for the WT to apply the 1 day for a year rule and make 2034 a special year.

They already have a contingency plan enshrined in their literature that will see them through to 2034.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/2034.html

I don't expect 2014 to be a big deal to the majority of Witnesses.

As to 2034, I personally believe the Society will be almost unrecognisable by then.

We all know we are in the age of information and the internet has given people a voice.

My question is:

Does anyone here think the new GB/FDS will make the same mistake? The mistake of talking about a possibility, a proper time for God to act, etc...

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1975 - A weak argument?

by Christ Alone in

i posted this on an older thread, but i wanted to get an honest opinion about this from all of you.

i think taking the 1975 approach with a jw is...weak.

was it wrong (and false prophetic) of them?

suavojr

Hello CA,

Don’t forget that Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr were young men learning from the best, THE JUDGE HIMSELF! They witnessed how the judge was able to manipulate, take over, erase Russell, label people as apostates and make an ‘ASS OF HIMSELF’.

If you take these experiences into account, they both (Fred Franz and Knorr) learned how to control, manipulate people and avoid some of Rutherford’s mistakes. That is why they motivated people with this non-scriptural message of 1975, 6000 years, without using compromising words. Fred Franz was a master of deceit, orchestrated an exit for the ORG and himself. He was able to escape humiliation and blame the millions of brothers for reading into his words.

My dad was studying in 1971 and he recalls clearly how they emphasized 1975 as the end. What is interesting about this, is that among the Spanish brothers they were not getting the same WT study as printed in English, but they still were led to believe the end was coming.

Now just remember that each JW’s tipping point is different, some could be false prophecy, others child abusive, others the topic of Christ not being our mediator, etc.

You just have to find what can CLICK with who you are talking.