I am a born in and I have lived the horrors of elders acting as judges of my soul.... this is tough
suavojr
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Ok I need some advice on how to decline an elder's appointment....
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in the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to ttatt, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder.
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Ok I need some advice on how to decline an elder's appointment....
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in the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to ttatt, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder.
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suavojr
In the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to TTATT, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder. I am in my mid 30’s and all of my family including my wife have not seen TTATT yet. (This will be a steep climb)
Any ideas on how to decline the appointment and not raise suspicion?or should I just keep playing the game while I keep working with my wife?
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Wild Theory on FDS New Light and Why the New Light
by Comatose inso first, let me explain my mindset upon reading the new light regarding the fds.
as has been commented almost universally i knew right away that a lot of people probably thought it was always this way.
i found it shocking, but thats another issue.
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suavojr
I can clearly see major changes within a few years from now and this year's 2013 district convention will probably bring some interesting things...
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"Millions Now Living Will Never Die" 1920 booklet - searchable PDF
by jwfacts ini recently got hold of an original copy of "millions now living will never die" .
with a bit of help this is now a 32 mb, high quality scanned pdf.
the text is completely searchable and bookmarked.
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suavojr
I just downloaded this book and while reading on page 13 I found the following quote:
Simply amazing contradiction with reality...
Millions now living... page 13
We invite the reader, therefore, to examine each point carefully as here made, compare the argument
with the scriptures cited, and view the same in the light of present day events which
are discernible to all eyes, and upon all this evidence reach a conclusion.
Every man should be persuaded in his own mind and no man should permit himself to be deterred from examining a
question based upon the Bible because a clergyman or any one else makes the unsupported assertion
that it is dangerous or unworthy of consideration.
Error always seeks the dark, while truth is always enhanced by the light. Error never desires to be investigated.
Light always courts a thorough and complete investigation. Light and truth are synonymous.
They are progressive, and "the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto
the perfect day". (Proverbs 4 : 18) The Psalmist plainly tells us: "Thy word is a lamp nnto my feet, and a light nnto my path".-Psalm
119 : 105.
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Question 3 of this weeks Oral Review???
by Comatose in3.. why did jesus say that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching "until the son of man arrives"?
(matt.
10:23) [jan. 14, w10 9/15 p. 10 par.
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suavojr
gingerbread said: the new JW.org website will surely play a part in spreading the message earthwide.
We will soon here in this 2013 District convention how many people have found the truth because of www.jw.org in more than 400 languages...
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Question 3 of this weeks Oral Review???
by Comatose in3.. why did jesus say that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching "until the son of man arrives"?
(matt.
10:23) [jan. 14, w10 9/15 p. 10 par.
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Comatose,
Blondie made the following comment a few years back.
Not much new and coincides with this written statement in the WT:
*** w00 1/15 p. 13 par. 17 "Keep on the Watch" ***Fifth, we see a global preaching work being accomplished, which Jesus said would take place just before the end of this system. Jesus stated: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) Today, that prophecy is in the course of fulfillment on an unprecedented scale. True, untouched territories still exist, and it may be that in Jehovah’s due time, a large door leading to greater activity will open . (1 Corinthians 16:9) Nevertheless, the Bible does not state that Jehovah will wait until every individual on earth has received a personal witness. Rather, the good news must be preached to Jehovah’s satisfaction. Then the end will come.—Compare Matthew 10:23.
But then the next paragraph says:
*** w00 1/15 p. 13 par. 18 "Keep on the Watch" ***Sixth, the number of genuine anointed disciples of Christ is dwindling, though some will evidently still be on earth when the great tribulation begins. Most of the remnant are quite elderly, and over the years the number of those who are truly anointed has been getting smaller.
And in 1965
*** w65 9/15 pp. 575-576 Questions From Readers ***
Since millions of persons in China and other places have never heard the Kingdom message, will these people be preserved through the destruction of Babylon the Great and the war of Armageddon, or perhaps be resurrected later?—H.S., U.S.A.It is important to understand what the Bible says about the destruction to come at the end of this system of things. In his illustration of the sheep and the goats Jesus indicated that a separating work would be done "when the Son of man arrives in his glory," and that persons would be classed as either "sheep" or "goats." (Matt. 25:31-46) In part, the basis for the separation would be the reaction of people to the preaching of the good news of the established kingdom. That preaching work is now being done by Jehovah’s witnesses. Jesus explained that those on earth who favorably responded to that message and treated kindly its bearers would be classed as "sheep" and would enter into "everlasting life." The rest of mankind who did not respond favorably to the preaching work and offered no aid to those who carried the Kingdom message would be classed as "goats" and would go, not into a temporary death, but into "everlasting cutting-off" at the time when judgment is executed.
But some persons, appreciating that millions of people are to be resurrected and given an opportunity to serve God, wonder if the millions of individuals living today who apparently have never heard the Kingdom message preached will be everlastingly destroyed without ever having had a witness about God’s purposes. It is true that at present it appears that there are vast numbers of mankind who have not heard the Kingdom preaching. Also, from what the Bible says and from conditions in the world, we know that we are in the "last days." But we do not know just how much more will be accomplished in preaching the Kingdom message before the end comes. (2 Tim. 3:1-5; Matt. 24:3-13) If at the end of the second world war someone had said that the Kingdom preaching would be carried out, by more than a million publishers, in over 190 lands, including communistic countries, many might have found that hard to believe. Yet, Jehovah has blessed his people, and that is exactly what is being accomplished. So, if it is Jehovah’s will to have this message personally carried to the millions on earth who seemingly have not yet heard it, that will be accomplished. If he chooses, he could see to it that this message is spread in ways that we cannot yet imagine . Jesus did foretell that "this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matt. 24:14) We can rest assured that God will see that the preaching work is done to his satisfaction. After that "the end" comes.
Then those who correspond with "goats," whether in China or elsewhere, will be pronounced "cursed" and will not be permitted to survive that "end" into God’s new order of things. Since these go into symbolic "fire" (like the Devil and his angels), their punishment will be everlasting. They will never be resurrected.—Matt. 25:41-46.
"Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; and you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."—Ps. 37:10, 11.
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CO want to talk to me
by goodsoul inco want to talk to me.
first of all, i am very apologize for my english- i am studying this language nearly 2 years, so it's not that good yet, unfortunately.
also, it's my first topic.
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suavojr
Hello goosoul,
You are in a delicate situation because you spoke about having doubts, but don forget you DON'T HAVE TO MEET WITH THE CO! You can always play the card of saying you are discouraged and burnt out, therefore you need some time with your family and that you trust God will help you get better soon.
If you do not want to get Df'd NEVER MENTION YOUR DOUBTS
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The Infamous May 15th 1984 Watchtower "1914: The Generation That Will Not Pass Away"
by PublishingCult in.
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i do not know how the blogger who posted this infamous wt cover (5/15/84) got all the names of those who posed for this magazine cover, or whether the names are even correct, but if he got it right, man, what a provocative statement.. .
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suavojr
This mag is one for the ages! My dad used to talk so much about this while he was in his mid 30's, now he is 63 thinking about collecting his social security
Today, I am in my mid 30's but the magic spell has been broken in my case. (Although I am still in)
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I asked an elder today...from the horse's mouth!
by Julia Orwell intoday's watchtower made out that the combining of branch offices around the world is a loving provision from jehovah to streamline the production, but i had to ask an elder afterwards, even though i already knew the answer.... "if the wts is selling off bethels and brooklyn property and cutting the publishing costs and commitments, then where is all that money going?".
elder replies, "well the donations are just not coming in anymore and so they have to sell off property to stay afloat.".
gee, i thought if this was jehovah's approved organisation carrying vital truth to the world, then he'd be making sure the donations would be sufficient.
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suavojr
My congo in the South East, USA. has plenty of cash on hand and the donations for the worldwide work is still holding strong.
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Recorded Judicial Meeting by 19 year old
by BlindersOff1 in.
he runs circles around the dogmatic elders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lko0vmqfyau.
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suavojr
You can say he is 19 years old, but the video where he is praying as an apostate simply makes the WT look good.... If you don't beleive in God is fine with me but he is acting just like the WT describes an apostate.