...to read "crisis of concience" and continue on believing that the organization is (or ever was) gods organization?
COC brings the ugly "truth" of the WTS to a head. There's no way in hell that the WTS could have ever been the chosen org. of God, if indeed there is even a God.
I've got a library of "apostate" books almost as big as the WTS books I had. BTW, want to get rid of your WTS library? I donated mine to Randy Watters at Freeminds.org.
TR
i'm wondering if you still attend meetings?
do you hold out hope for the watchtower organization?
if you've left entirely, have you found another form of worship?
That's a big NEGATORY!
I quit cold turkey. Religion gives me the willies now. I have yet to do my own bible study, and probably never will.
TR
Edited by - TR on 4 January 2001 20:49:13
hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.
i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.
a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.
Jehovah, Jesus, and the Angels are probably standing around the water cooler at the office snickering and making jokes about the WTS.
Jehovah: Yo Jesus! Did ya hear the one about the F&DS?!
Jesus: Yeah, that fricken WTS thinks that they have our blessing! Those old farts! If they'd pull their heads out long enough, they'd realize they're a laughing stock to the whole "world"!
Jehovah: Man, that Fred Franz, he really had 'em going with that 1975 stuff!lol!
Jesus: What about the "Judge"! What a freakin' dork!
Angels: lolololololol!!!!!
Jesus: When in the hell, ah, no offense Satan, are they gunna realize how utterly foolish they look?!
Satan: Uh, no offense taken, Jesus.
Jehovah: That ol' P.T. Barnum, he really took those words outta my mouth!
Jesus: Dude! you are sooo right!
Jehovah: Hey everyone! Check this out! The WTS thinks we control them! lol!
Jesus: Naw, they just say that so they can bilk millions of dollars from the flock.
Jehovah: Hey Satan! You know anything about this WTS?
Satan: Who, moi!??
Jesus: Oh come on now, Satan, You've GOT to have something to do with this!
Jehovah: Yeah, you old prankster! I see your signature all over this WTS fiasco!
Satan: OK, OK! I'll take credit where credit is due. You got me, guys.
Jesus: Hey dudes, let's go get a beer after work.
All present: Sounds good!
Satan: I'll be late. Got more inspirin' to do!
Jehovah & Jesus: lololololol!!!! See ya later!
TR
i am interested in the boards view on the above.
is god actively helping any or is he dormant.
living in the time of jesus presence/kingdom rule i have to say that i would expect a little more than i see at the moment!.
Could I choose just about anything to call God? And would he/she/it help guide my path? Is meditating and praying to God just that? Meditating on our own knowledge and common sense?
If I asked Satan the Devil to help me with making the right decisions, would I automatically make the wrong decisions because I was praying to Satan? Are Christians any better off mentally and spiritually than say, Humanists?
I'm getting to the point of believing that religion does whatever one wants it to do.
TR
anyone read darek barefoot's "jehovah's witnesses and the hour of darkness"?
i was intrigued my the many references to satanic symbols the he supposedly found in the wts illustrations.
i've not heard much about this on the net.
RR,
What about the seemingly constant use of Satanic symbols? Just bethelites having fun? Or could it be that the WTS is actually a Satanic org. in disguise?
TR
i've recently had a discussion with a witness friend in which she said that jehovah had to have an organization.
if not jehovah's witnesses, then who else could possibly have his approval?.
what i would like to know is if jehovah has always had an organization, who were they?
MDS,
please elaborate:
Happily we are all "in position," now to visualize many, many wonderful things, all from the Hand of the Almighty, Jehovah Himself. But, even more astounding things are ahead.We have "arrived" at that special time, we've been waiting for. That time is now.
TR
i've recently had a discussion with a witness friend in which she said that jehovah had to have an organization.
if not jehovah's witnesses, then who else could possibly have his approval?.
what i would like to know is if jehovah has always had an organization, who were they?
To anyone,
Please show the organizational structure and Governing body of the first century Christians. As I see it, there is little or no structure of an organized "religion". What I see is emphasis on individuals.
TR
just a thought.... in most of the publications that have pictures of people in the new order / new system / paradise earth - why do they have clothes on?
not only that, but they usually wear their national costumes !.
i guess the practical reason is that if everyone was naked then the watchtower would be classed as soft-porn and could only be sold from top shelves.... anyone have any thoughts on this?
I always wondered why the men in the mags. wore slacks and wing tip shoes in the country. Women with their pumps and fifties style dresses.
TR
since i found you the other day i was itching to tell my story so here goes:.
raised in jw family dad elder both parents pioneers total of 8 kids .
completly ridiculed in school set apart different unable to make and keep friends because they werent allowed to come over or call and i couldnt go there i learned very young how to be sneaky.
What up, mommy?
Glad you could survive yet another disfunctional JW family. After we rise above the faithful and discreet b.s., we seem to find some semblance of a good life. Welcome.
TR
anyone read darek barefoot's "jehovah's witnesses and the hour of darkness"?
i was intrigued my the many references to satanic symbols the he supposedly found in the wts illustrations.
i've not heard much about this on the net.
Anyone read Darek Barefoot's "Jehovah's Witnesses and the Hour Of Darkness"? I was intrigued my the many references to Satanic symbols the he supposedly found in the WTS illustrations. I've not heard much about this on the net. Various mentions of hidden faces have been mentioned on different websites, but not the Satanic symbols.
If Barefoot is a crackpot, he did a pretty fair job of documenting these hidden symbols and drawings. Whether or not these things are valid, I expected more attention than is given on the net.
TR
