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  Visiting a KH...

  by ianao in

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  a 'friend' of mine keeps telling me that everything i am reading here on this board is a packload of lies from people who have no respect for god.. he also tells me that if i would just go to the kh for once, that i would see for myself that jws are not the bad people that they are portrayed to be.. while i have my own convictions about this subject, i was curious to know what others' opinions would be on the fruitfullness of taking up this man's offer and going to the kh to see for myself.

  so, what do you think?

  what should i watch out for?

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  Ianao,

  You're probably not going to see much at the first meeting except a booooooring couple of hours, and JW's bugging the hell out of you before and after the meetings, telling you how clean and pure and wonderful and wholesome and lovely and great and saved "God's Organization" is. You'll have go to several meetings before you see the repetative nature of them. But by then, depending on how well informed about the WTS you are, it might be too late. Many a guilt trip will be laid upon you to dedicate yourself to Jehovah, to join the ministry school, to knock on doors, to sacrifice education and normal life, to do your utmost to serve the God(WTS). But guess what, it's never good enough. Oh, they'll tell you to do your best, and that's good enough. WRONG! Every once in a while there will be a story in the Watchtower or at a meeting or assembly where a family sells their house and moves to a dangerous area to serve "where the need is greater". How will you feel when you just bought a house and started a family and a good paying job, and only put in 10 hours a month in the "field ministry"? Are you going to be stressed over the 5 meetings a week, studying the publications the night before each meeting, including door to door work? What if you find a mate that doesn't want to be a JW? Now you have to balance all the JW crap with your "unbelieving" mate.

  Sounds pretty inviting so far, huh? Just read the stories about df'ing, blood, changing policies that have caused major misery and death. Oh, and don't forget the threads and articles on pediphile activity being swept under the rug.

  How many prospective JW's actually do the research necessary to see the WTS for what it is? Have you noticed the WTS's flip flop doctrine policy? It's called "new light". That's why third world JW convert populations are growing, and their converts are decreasing in the western world.

  Most of the people ARE nice. I miss a lot of them. But handing my life over to the likes of the WTS is not worth keeping friends at the hall. They make you diss your friends and family going in, and they diss YOU going out. How wonderful.

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  Things said from the platform

  by MoodyBlue in

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  i recalled something said a while back by an elder during a service meeting a while back.

  i beleive it was a local needs part on getting out in service.

  basically what he said was this:.

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  Martini,

  How can we say we are doing these things of our own initiatve and love for God when infact we have no liberty to choose what it is we would like to do for God?

  Good point! It's like the saying; "make the truth your own". In other words, "like what we tell you to do or else".

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  Are you Ex's still Christian?

  by joel in

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  whassup guys.

  i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.

  i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.

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  ianao,

  Be VERY careful TR. You might not like what you find. Also, take what you read with a grain of salt. People like Zechariah Sitchen have interesting theories, but admist them is much scholarly controversy, almost as much as it over the Bible in general.

  I appreciate what you say. However, Sitchin is an ancient language scholar, not a religious guru. Even if I believed 100% of his theories, it wouldn't change my life one iota. There is no cult or religion to join. I can't personally verify his research, so I don't go around spouting about it. I DO like what I find in his writings so far. I have asked others before about those who oppose Sitchin's theories, but don't know of any as of yet. Maybe you can enlighten me?
  I did correspond with C.O. Jonsson about Sitchin once. First he said he didn't know who Sitchin was. Then he remembered that he read a few pages of "The Twelfth Planet" and found it too fantastic to believe. BUT, Jonsson wouldn't or couldn't refute Sitchin because he really doesn't know anything about his theories.

  A lot of what Sitchin says has a factual basis that ties in with the O.T. of the bible. I find that very interesting.

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  JW Preaching Work Ends in 20th Century ?

  by Scorpion in

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  page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".

  (a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).

  this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.

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  Gozz,

  isn't it dangerous? I'm seeing a JW in field service talking about scriptural truth and honesty and all that and then someone shows that the Society's changed things without notice, as if they never happened...there should be a law about this; at least in the US.

  This could fall under the catagory as "bait and switch", or false advertising. There are laws against this, and it's not just a household product and a few bucks or a lemon car at stake here. Maybe it's high time that some lawmakers looked into this matter.

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  JW Preaching Work Ends in 20th Century ?

  by Scorpion in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".

  (a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).

  this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.

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  Let's face it. The WTS has tripped up and stumbled on their own dumb-assed words for over a century. Everything from aluminum to Zion. They are prophet wannabees, which makes them false prophets in my book.

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  Are you Ex's still Christian?

  by joel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  whassup guys.

  i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.

  i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.

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  I'm starting over from scratch. Reading Sitchin's "Earth Chronicles". Gives a whole new outlook to the creation of our planet and how it got inhabited. It also gives a new perspective on the "nephilim" of the bible and man's relationship with the "gods". I'm not sure how Christ ties in with his theories. Haven't read that far yet. There are 6 books in the "Earth Chronicles" series and two others that are related to his findings. "Genesis Revisited" was very interesting. Kind of a summary of the series.

  I guess I'm not a Christian by most people's definition. I have strong moral values and ethics, but like Simon says, you don't have to be Christian to have them.

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  Starting a joke thread - c'mon, join in!

  by waiting in

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  henry and jane were much in love with each other, despite many differences, including their religions.

  jane was a devout christian, henry believed strongly in reincarnation.

  but the husband & wife both agreed on one thing - if either of them died - the other was to go to a spirit medium within one week so that their spirits could commune and assure the surviving spouse of their mutual love.. henry died tragically.

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  Another sick joke

  A trucker comes home after being away from home on a long haul. It's late, and even though he's tired, he missed his wife and wants to be intimate with her. He slips into bed and cuddles with his wife. She's sleeping, but he tries to arouse her anyway. He tries little kisses on the face and neck, but no response. He then moves down to her breasts and gently kisses them. Still, no response. He moves down even further for some oral pleasure. Right when he starts, he sees the light under the bathroom door, and goes to check it out. He opens the door and is startled to see his wife taking a bubble bath. She looks up and quickly shushes him. She says, " Quiet, honey, your mom is sleeping. She thought I was lonely and decided to stay until you got back."

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  Starting a joke thread - c'mon, join in!

  by waiting in

  1. social
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  henry and jane were much in love with each other, despite many differences, including their religions.

  jane was a devout christian, henry believed strongly in reincarnation.

  but the husband & wife both agreed on one thing - if either of them died - the other was to go to a spirit medium within one week so that their spirits could commune and assure the surviving spouse of their mutual love.. henry died tragically.

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  The old drunk is sitting at the bar talking to the bartender.
  The drunk says: "MAN I must have been drunk as hell last night. When I got home, I blew chunks." The bartender says, "You musta been sick as hell, all right." "Sick?" says the drunk." "Chunks is my dog."

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  Sickening abuse case in the UK

  by Simon in

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  i'm sure anyone in the uk will have heard about the poor little 8 year old girl who was subjected to appalling abuse and killed.. i just feel so angry right now...how could so many police, doctors, social workers let her down and fail to act when the signs were so clear and pointed out to them?.

  what are they there for, for goodness sake?.

  they should all be sacked for incompetence and failing to do what they get well paid for.

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  I'm with you, Simon and ianao.

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  A plea for help

  by Grunt in

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  this was posted at h20, i think your response might help.. grunt .

  posted by osarsif [osarsif] on january 12, 2001 at 18:02:53 {bkofpb3ypszintml2jvmhwdmskgzpq}:.

  this newsgroup is sort of a brazilian equivalent of alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and was established in november 3, 2000 by the isp uol (sort of the brazilian equivalent of aol).. the newsgroup has an average of 10 messages per day and in these 2 months since november has attracted both jehovah's witnesses apologists and critics, since it is a newsgroup open for all (just like alt.religion.jehovahs-witn).. first the jehovah's witnesses apologists in that brazilian newsgroup complained to uol about the posts of the "apostates", perhaps hoping the critics would be banned.. when that didn't work, they threatened all critics and sent v1rus and e-mail-bombings to 6 participants who criticized jehovah's witnesses.. when that also failed to keep the critics away from the newsgroup, they complained again to uol, saying the newsgroup had been diverted from it's initial purpose.. what a ridiculous excuse!

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  Ditto.

  TR