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  Would this scenario make a totally devout JW renounce their faith?

  by BourneIdentity in

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  we’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a jw telling them to renounce their faith or die.

  some live to tell about it, others don’t.

  but what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else.

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  BourneIdentity

  The reason I bring this up is due to Russia labeling them as extremists. I automatically think of the crazy suicide bombers and say JWs would never do that! But in this scenario, would they?
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  Would this scenario make a totally devout JW renounce their faith?

  by BourneIdentity in

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  we’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a jw telling them to renounce their faith or die.

  some live to tell about it, others don’t.

  but what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else.

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  BourneIdentity

  We’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a JW telling them to renounce their faith or die. Some live to tell about it, others don’t. But what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else. What would a devout JW do in this situation?

  
  

  A JW finds themselves thrown out of a van with a mask on, you know, typical Hollywood stuff. After they hear the van zoom off, they pull the mask off. They see they are in the middle of a city square. They look down and there are explosives attached to them, the countdown is at 60 seconds and a button next to it. A note reads, renounce your faith and hit the button, no one gets hurt. Don’t push the button and when the clock hits 0, many lives will be lost. What does that person do? Do they say a quick prayer asking for forgiveness and then renounce or blow everyone to bits?
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

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  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  To go along with Atlantis link, if I were to speak up and say how their rules on disfellowshipping and shunning parents is wrong, I'd be disfellowshipped. Even though it's 100% truth and verified from the Bible, that wouldn't matter to them. Then down the road if they received "New Light" and changed their stance, I'd still be disfellowshipped and shunned. Then I'd have to come crawling back begging for them to accept me back and how sorry I was for not following something not Bible based and sacrificing unity in the congregation, ick!

  
  

  The Watchtower is a giant bully and there isn't much we can do against it. If you disassociate, you lose everything. Fading is about all you can do, but in some cases, alot have to fake it and go through the motions to please their family.

  
  

  My advice to any of those people in that situation who could be reading this is don't donate any of your money to them. My second tip is don't trust anything they say, always be critical of what they are saying, but just don't speak up and tip anyone off you are PIMO. As I said earlier, I get really nervous when they say to have total trust in them even if something is said doesn't sound logical from a human standpoint. They are not prophets and are not infallible, they've admitted that orally in parts and in print.

  
  

  I think of Dennis Christensen, he's the one that was recently imprisoned for 6 years in Russia. What a waste, all for the Organization. I know people in other countries that can't preach, it's under ban. So they discreetly might strike up a conversation informally as they are walking in a park or some other setting, they aren't like this Dennis. He knew it was all banned and they all met at a Kingdom Hall anyways, dumb, dumb, dumb. As a family head, his obligation was to care for his family. Now his wife has no head to support her for 6 years, as the Scriptures say, now he is worse than a person without faith because he isn't providing. What's he going to do when he gets released? Be stubborn and continue meetings and service and get thrown back in? Like I said people, just be smart and don't put yourself in a bad situation, because this Organization would love to sacrifice you and post it on their JW News section.
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

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  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  Thanks for the read Atlantis. Never read it before, but I have heard elders say on occasion unity is the number one thing. Pretty crazy they call themselves “The Truth.”
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
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  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  Here it is neat blue dog,

  Watch from 6:10-7:00

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/StudioMonthly2018/pub-jwb_201808_1_VIDEO
  
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  What I'm getting at is the Governing Body needs to obtain some "New Light", so they aren't in violation of the Scriptures. This isn't some request to make something easier to live by for members, this is something that needs to be done to be in compliance with Jehovah, the Bible and the truth.

  
  

  It concerns me very much that the majority of JWs are 100% loyal to the Slave when just an example like this shows they put their own agenda above Jehovah's. And it's very concerning when they have been saying in talks and broadcasts that everyone needs to completely trust them, even if it makes zero sense from a human standpoint. What do they have in the works? They are prepping everyone for some crazy things to come from their mouths. I know some have thought another Jonestown is coming, but I don't think they are that crazy. I'm guessing they could plan on fleecing the flock out of more money.

  
  

  Neat blue dog,

  
  

  i will post the link to Brother Lett saying that as soon as I find it, stay tuned.
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  Drearyweather,

  Your example is as extreme as it can get as well. Most leave because they see it’s all bullshit, not a reason for a child to shun them for life.

  The only scriptures that support any type of silent treatment would be an active unrepentant sinner or someone not believing Jesus was the Christ. Saying this man made Organization is not the truth is neither one of those, so it’s very unscriptural.
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  Drearyweather,

  Of course not, but that is up to the child to decide, not man to force it. We are all accountable to Jehovah for our actions, so whether we decide to follow something in the Bible or not based on what’s happened is between us and him, not man to oppress and force it.

  What about the elders that molest children, are all the members supposed to keep showing them honor, or even double honor as they suggest?
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  JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

  if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

  when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

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  BourneIdentity

  For those that are convinced they are not following man, but Jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men. If they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.

  The Bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 Commandments. When that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life. How is giving your father or mother the silent treatment for the rest of their life showing them honor? It's impossible, and if some JW can reason they are, there isn't any hope for them. As I said, the Bible is very clear that Jehovah wants you to honor your parents. So who will you listen to, Jehovah and his Word, or man?

  I recall a monthly broadcast not too long ago by Brother Lett. I think he was saying we need to be totally obedient to the Slave, then he added, unless it was in violation of the Scriptures. I can't think of a better example where we would not be obedient to the Slave.
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  Ex Westboro Baptist Church Member (Now a model)

  by Iamallcool in

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  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/former-westboro-baptist-church-member-lauren-drain-says-she-was-banished-reveals-new-life-helping-others.amp .

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  BourneIdentity

  Wow, and I thought JWs were the only ones that acted so crazy putting a cult before flesh and blood!

  Sounds like the same response as JWs, “she left for pleasures and materialism.” Don’t they realize a lot leave because they have a conscience to live by and see through all the bullshit?