Posts by BourneIdentity

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Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

by john.prestor in

so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

BourneIdentity

It’s all fear mongering. Once you realize it isn’t the truth, it all goes in one ear and out the other. Like listening to a dog with all bark and no bite. Being PIMO and listening to it is quite comical, but I do feel sorry for the ones that truly believe it and are driven to serve the Organization out of fear. Let’s not kid ourselves, everything is done out of fear, not love. People are not preaching because they love their neighbor, they are preaching to save their own skin and appear righteous to the rest of the congregation.

When some have asked why I don’t seem worried about not doing all the things I’m supposed to be doing, I act very relaxed and careless about it. I say well, if Jehovah wants to murder me because I’m not good enough, that’s fine with me, it is what it is. I will not be bothered about stressing over things, especially since we’ve been hearing it’s coming for what, 140 years. That usually shuts them up and they don’t know what to say or how to help me so I can get all scared and be moved to action.

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Would this scenario make a totally devout JW renounce their faith?

by BourneIdentity in

we’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a jw telling them to renounce their faith or die.

some live to tell about it, others don’t.

but what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else.

BourneIdentity

The reason I bring this up is due to Russia labeling them as extremists. I automatically think of the crazy suicide bombers and say JWs would never do that! But in this scenario, would they?

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Would this scenario make a totally devout JW renounce their faith?

by BourneIdentity in

we’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a jw telling them to renounce their faith or die.

some live to tell about it, others don’t.

but what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else.

BourneIdentity

We’ve all heard the stories of someone pointing a gun at a JW telling them to renounce their faith or die. Some live to tell about it, others don’t. But what makes it seem easier to stomach is it just involves that person, no one else. What would a devout JW do in this situation?

A JW finds themselves thrown out of a van with a mask on, you know, typical Hollywood stuff. After they hear the van zoom off, they pull the mask off. They see they are in the middle of a city square. They look down and there are explosives attached to them, the countdown is at 60 seconds and a button next to it. A note reads, renounce your faith and hit the button, no one gets hurt. Don’t push the button and when the clock hits 0, many lives will be lost. What does that person do? Do they say a quick prayer asking for forgiveness and then renounce or blow everyone to bits?

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

To go along with Atlantis link, if I were to speak up and say how their rules on disfellowshipping and shunning parents is wrong, I'd be disfellowshipped. Even though it's 100% truth and verified from the Bible, that wouldn't matter to them. Then down the road if they received "New Light" and changed their stance, I'd still be disfellowshipped and shunned. Then I'd have to come crawling back begging for them to accept me back and how sorry I was for not following something not Bible based and sacrificing unity in the congregation, ick!

The Watchtower is a giant bully and there isn't much we can do against it. If you disassociate, you lose everything. Fading is about all you can do, but in some cases, alot have to fake it and go through the motions to please their family.

My advice to any of those people in that situation who could be reading this is don't donate any of your money to them. My second tip is don't trust anything they say, always be critical of what they are saying, but just don't speak up and tip anyone off you are PIMO. As I said earlier, I get really nervous when they say to have total trust in them even if something is said doesn't sound logical from a human standpoint. They are not prophets and are not infallible, they've admitted that orally in parts and in print.

I think of Dennis Christensen, he's the one that was recently imprisoned for 6 years in Russia. What a waste, all for the Organization. I know people in other countries that can't preach, it's under ban. So they discreetly might strike up a conversation informally as they are walking in a park or some other setting, they aren't like this Dennis. He knew it was all banned and they all met at a Kingdom Hall anyways, dumb, dumb, dumb. As a family head, his obligation was to care for his family. Now his wife has no head to support her for 6 years, as the Scriptures say, now he is worse than a person without faith because he isn't providing. What's he going to do when he gets released? Be stubborn and continue meetings and service and get thrown back in? Like I said people, just be smart and don't put yourself in a bad situation, because this Organization would love to sacrifice you and post it on their JW News section.

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

Thanks for the read Atlantis. Never read it before, but I have heard elders say on occasion unity is the number one thing. Pretty crazy they call themselves “The Truth.”

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

Here it is neat blue dog,

Watch from 6:10-7:00

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/StudioMonthly2018/pub-jwb_201808_1_VIDEO

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

What I'm getting at is the Governing Body needs to obtain some "New Light", so they aren't in violation of the Scriptures. This isn't some request to make something easier to live by for members, this is something that needs to be done to be in compliance with Jehovah, the Bible and the truth.

It concerns me very much that the majority of JWs are 100% loyal to the Slave when just an example like this shows they put their own agenda above Jehovah's. And it's very concerning when they have been saying in talks and broadcasts that everyone needs to completely trust them, even if it makes zero sense from a human standpoint. What do they have in the works? They are prepping everyone for some crazy things to come from their mouths. I know some have thought another Jonestown is coming, but I don't think they are that crazy. I'm guessing they could plan on fleecing the flock out of more money.

Neat blue dog,

i will post the link to Brother Lett saying that as soon as I find it, stay tuned.

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

Drearyweather,

Your example is as extreme as it can get as well. Most leave because they see it’s all bullshit, not a reason for a child to shun them for life.

The only scriptures that support any type of silent treatment would be an active unrepentant sinner or someone not believing Jesus was the Christ. Saying this man made Organization is not the truth is neither one of those, so it’s very unscriptural.

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

Drearyweather,

Of course not, but that is up to the child to decide, not man to force it. We are all accountable to Jehovah for our actions, so whether we decide to follow something in the Bible or not based on what’s happened is between us and him, not man to oppress and force it.

What about the elders that molest children, are all the members supposed to keep showing them honor, or even double honor as they suggest?

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

BourneIdentity

For those that are convinced they are not following man, but Jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men. If they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.

The Bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 Commandments. When that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life. How is giving your father or mother the silent treatment for the rest of their life showing them honor? It's impossible, and if some JW can reason they are, there isn't any hope for them. As I said, the Bible is very clear that Jehovah wants you to honor your parents. So who will you listen to, Jehovah and his Word, or man?

I recall a monthly broadcast not too long ago by Brother Lett. I think he was saying we need to be totally obedient to the Slave, then he added, unless it was in violation of the Scriptures. I can't think of a better example where we would not be obedient to the Slave.