Posts by BourneIdentity

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Less facial hair? More spirituality!

by neat blue dog in

we've often seen the happifying kingdom trope of a bearded bible student coming up from the baptism water with a freshly shaven, baby smooth face.

beards, after all, signify independent thinking and are best left to worldlings.

our new july 2019 issue of the watchtower, however, sheds increasing light on the subject.

BourneIdentity

He looks much better with the full beard. Nothing sloppy or unprofessional about it either, it’s neat and well maintained. He not only joined a cult, but looks much worse now!

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

BourneIdentity

What would Jesus do? Would we be stumbled if Jesus did this?

Me, not at all. After all, Jesus appreciated fine things. He also turned water into wine at a wedding, so all could have a good time.

What about Tony? He condemns anyone that goes to college to enjoy the finer things. He criticizes people that pamper themselves a bit instead of sending the Organization their money. And he condemns JW weddings from having alcohol because with his black and white thinking, everyone will get drunk.

So you tell me if Tony hasn’t set himself up for extreme scrutiny. It’s tough to be perfect isn’t it Tony? Now you know how the rank and file members feel after you chastise them. Jesus was refreshing to be around, Tony is repulsive.

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

BourneIdentity

If this liquor store visit was done by a rank and file member, it isn't anything worth talking about. Although you know very well if the elders got wind of it, they would sit down with the person and ask how it would look to other JWs or more importantly, to people in the world that have seen them come to their door in the past.

This is 10x worse with Tony. Like someone mentioned earlier, the notoriety of it all. The difference between private reproof and disfellowshipping in many cases is all based on notoriety, nothing about the persons repentance. It's all about the image of the Organization, that's what it is all about and will always be about. He expects the rank and file members to live the truth 24/7 and never put themselves into a situation where they are afraid to preach the good news. By his self righteousness, most would assume that's what he does. But it turns out, he's no different than you or I.

I just observe his demeanor during his talks and how unhappy, bitter, critical and judgemental he is. Think of what a contrast he is to Jesus and how he treated his apostles and followers. Tony, please read your Bible more and drink less.

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

BourneIdentity

It’s pathetic how Tony can go on these tirades and act disgusted with people that put themselves in situations where they are too embarrassed or ashamed to preach the good news. Think of how many millions of JWs have felt the effects of his guilt trips, while he is no different than them. It is a classic case of do as I say, not as I do. Every time I hear him speak from now on, I’m gonna be thinking to myself, my my my, this guy needs to shut his pie hole and down some Scotch. When I start reflecting on his latest talks, he does seem to have slurred speech, and more nervous than usual. I wonder if his guilty conscience is starting to come to the surface. I think of how he was for the 2018 annual meeting, seemed very nervous to me.

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Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

by UnshackleTheChains in

i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

you can't write this stuff.

right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

BourneIdentity

Like a few of the Tony Backers on this site have said, nothing wrong with buying a bunch of booze, we don't know if it was for his personal consumption or a big party. We don't know if it was purchased with donated funds or his own money. We also don't know if he was skipping a meeting, he could have been attending an afternoon one. We also don't know if he was trying to hide his purchase from fellow JWs, he might have had a reason to be in that location. Plus the trenchcoat and hat could have been his normal dress attire. Alot of this is pure speculation, which I do see.

The one positive quality I see in him is he did a hell of a job in an effort not to stumble any JWs, being he did it at a time most are in service or attending a meeting. He also chose a time when not many normal people would be buying alcohol. So give him credit for considering his brothers and sisters and not wanting to stumble them.

The negatives I see are this. He has made a vow of poverty, I don't know many people that are well off financially that could justify purchasing such an expensive bottle of booze. If I was limited to $200 per month or whatever it is, I sure wouldn't be blowing the majority on alcohol, that is, unless alcohol was my God and I loved and cherished it.

The other problem I see is he didn't informally witness to this man. The end is so close, we are at the very end of the last days! I'm sure Tony looked at him and knew in a very short time, that guy is gonna be toast. He had to see him as a blackened, charred, split open bratwurst, with a lotta dead bodies strewn about everywhere. And Tony didn't say anything to save him, he has blood on his hands for not witnesssing to him. Tony has totally lost any kind of freedom to speak from the platform and telling everyone how critical these days are and the urgent need to preach to everyone we encounter, when we can see he doesn't live by it himself.

For some that feel there was nothing wrong about Tony being in that liquor store filling up his cart, would they feel it would have been a good witness for Tony to preach to this man? Rather than Tony standing next to a literature cart, he's standing next to a liquor cart, that is fairly full of very premium expensive booze. He always encourages friends not to look ungodly or be in a position where we are embarrassed or ashamed to preach, and it looks like good old Tony did just that in this case. I'd feel less embarrassed if a brother in tight pants preached or a sister in tight spandex out for a run preached compared to Tony doing liquor cart witnessing.

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Anyone know any former long time Bethelites or circuit overseers?

by BourneIdentity in

as you know, when you work your whole life, you pay into social security.

at retirement, you collect a paycheck from the government based on a percentage of income you drew for all those years.

do any of you know anyone that had been at bethel for decades and then were laid off?

BourneIdentity

Thanks for the download Atlantis. Point 6 says any income they earn while they are under that vow has to get turned over to the Order if it's in excess of their living expenses. I was not surprised to read about that one bit!

FedUpJW - I knew people would get a kick out of that question I asked, lol. Speaking of the money flow, do they ever, under any circumstances part with any money with the understanding they will not see it back? Like with hall builds, they hand out the money, but they eventually get it repaid by the congregation month to month. I heard with disaster relief, they help the brothers and sisters by paying for materials, while the labor is all volunteer based and free. But I did hear when insurance companies pay the homeowner, or FEMA writes them a check, it has to get turned over to the Organization. Is that accurate? Because there was a monthly broadcast within the last few months where a brother spoke about the projection of expenses for that year or the following year and how it was going to be so much higher than past years based on all the natural disasters. That tells me they must be paying out to help alot of people and not getting it back. Or is that just a lie to put pressure on everyone to send them even more money?

One of the things that woke me up was revolving around money. For years, it always bothered me how they would announce a deficit at the circuit assemblies, most of the time, several thousand dollars. By the end of the assembly, or maybe it was at the next assembly, they'd announce how thankful they were for everyones contributions and they approved all the surplus get sent to headquarters, which left the circuit account almost empty again. They would continue to do this, always putting the attenders in a bind to come up with the money, rather than giving them some breathing room to not have to keep paying and taking from the surplus. I thought, how deceitful, you announce on the stage how you have this deficit to pay for that weekends gathering, but then take the liberty to send all the extra money that was designed for that purpose, and send it all away. I then realized anywhere there is man and money, there is sure to be corruption and they can't be trusted. Obviously, it took more than that to wake me up, but that never sat right with me for years, even when I was PIMI.

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Anyone know any former long time Bethelites or circuit overseers?

by BourneIdentity in

as you know, when you work your whole life, you pay into social security.

at retirement, you collect a paycheck from the government based on a percentage of income you drew for all those years.

do any of you know anyone that had been at bethel for decades and then were laid off?

BourneIdentity

As you know, when you work your whole life, you pay into social security. At retirement, you collect a paycheck from the government based on a percentage of income you drew for all those years. Do any of you know anyone that had been at Bethel for decades and then were laid off? Or a circuit overseer who served for decades and then was replaced with a younger one? How are these people taken care of? Being they aren't entitled to any money, or very little from the government, does the Organization have some type pension or retirement account for those people that faithfully served for decades?

I heard something on YouTube from a former Bethelite that when you go there, you sign a vow of poverty. I guess that's what the Governing Body can point to when these people are nearing the end of their life and complaining about no money to live on during retirement. I'm sure all these people that gave decades of service never imagined the system going on and were convinced they'd never see old age.

Knowing the Organization and how they never part with money unless they are getting it back with interest, I'm sure they throw the burden on the congregation members to take care of these people. If any of you know of any people and what they did to survive, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

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Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

by john.prestor in

so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

BourneIdentity

This is about exactly the same thing I heard on that day.

https://youtu.be/HCCckKkgpxQ

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Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

by john.prestor in

so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

BourneIdentity

I think it was back in 2013 when we had the annual meeting and a bunch of congregations were tied in listening to all the talks live. It was the one where we received the new silver Bibles.

That was the one Tony Morris went off on brothers wearing tight pants and how homosexuals love to see them wearing them, not the sisters.

He also chastised the sisters that were jogging in the neighborhoods wearing spanx. He said that was totally inappropriate for a Christian. No Tony, it would be inappropriate to wear spanx to a meeting, it is appropriate when you are exercising.

It was then and there I realized this guy is nuts and he wants to control every aspect of a persons life, no different than the Scribes and Pharisees did back in Jesus day. I can’t imagine how much screaming Jesus would aim at the Governing Body.

I was thinking if I was one of the brothers sitting through that in tailor fit pants, I think it might have been the last meeting I’d ever attend with him coming off like such an asshole. Nothing loving or appealing of that delivery. I think he really envies men and women that have good figures. He’s probably pissed he’s fat or feels guilty that he gets turned on by these nice figures and then feels the need to take it out on them.

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Jehovah's Witnesses: A Coercive Organization?

by john.prestor in

so in sociology we divide organizations up into three categories or types, you got utilitarian, voluntary, and coercive.

utilitarian means people join to accomplish some purpose like selling food or making furniture, voluntary means they join up just for fun or to hang out with people like the freemasons or a lot of churches, and coercive means they don't really want to be there but they gotta because someone will punish them if they leave, so labor camps, armies, or prisons.. in a paper i wrote for a class a while back i argued that jehovah's witnesses should be seen as a coercive organization.

yeah, people join up and they do leave, nobody beats you up if you stop attending or preaching, nobody imprisons you, shoots your dog, kills your kids that kind of thing, and nobody makes you join up either.

BourneIdentity

It’s all fear mongering. Once you realize it isn’t the truth, it all goes in one ear and out the other. Like listening to a dog with all bark and no bite. Being PIMO and listening to it is quite comical, but I do feel sorry for the ones that truly believe it and are driven to serve the Organization out of fear. Let’s not kid ourselves, everything is done out of fear, not love. People are not preaching because they love their neighbor, they are preaching to save their own skin and appear righteous to the rest of the congregation.

When some have asked why I don’t seem worried about not doing all the things I’m supposed to be doing, I act very relaxed and careless about it. I say well, if Jehovah wants to murder me because I’m not good enough, that’s fine with me, it is what it is. I will not be bothered about stressing over things, especially since we’ve been hearing it’s coming for what, 140 years. That usually shuts them up and they don’t know what to say or how to help me so I can get all scared and be moved to action.