I recall reading about one congregation in California, I think it was the Menlo Park congregation. The Society wanted to sell it and take all their funds from the account. If memory serves me right, there might have been close to $750,000 in their account. The elders put up a fight and they lost. All the elders were removed or maybe they were DFed.
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The Great KH Sell-Off
by snugglebunny inre the great kh sell off: could a congregation refuse to sign over their kingdom hall to the society?
i seem to recall - many years ago admittedly - that my home kh had been paid for by voluntary donations, no loans being involved.
i have no idea what the situation is now, but i do recall that many jw's contributed a set amount every month to the kh fund until there was enough money in the pot to build one.
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Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules
by Tameria2001 inhttps://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.
i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.
it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.
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BourneIdentity
Darkspilvers only hope is his family wakes up and leaves as well. There is a huge awakening going on and I believe more and more JWs are seeing through all the bullshit. The child abuse cases are showing up on mainstream news sources and the pleas for money are happening more and more often, they have no shame. Not to mention the JW.org logo plastered everywhere. All the titles in the Organization, has a total corporate feel to it, nothing resembling a religion.
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Jehovah’s Witness who posted criticisms on Reddit can remain anonymous, judge rules
by Tameria2001 inhttps://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.
i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.
it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.
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BourneIdentity
How will they obtain his identity? A lot create fake email accounts and all Reddit asks for is an email address and username when joining.
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Hypocrisy
by BourneIdentity inhypocrisy in the org.
just off the top of my head, i came up with a bunch of examples showing the jw's hypocrisy.
any others to add?.
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BourneIdentity
Hypocrisy in the Org
Just off the top of my head, I came up with a bunch of examples showing the JW's hypocrisy. Any others to add?
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JW talking to another JW: Did you hear about all the pedophilia going on in the Catholic church? How perverted, how do they still stay as members in such a sick false religion! It is so painfully obvious something is wrong and not being directed by God.
JW's response when it happens in the Org: That is fake news and if it's real, these are imperfect men. The Governing Body still deserves our undying devotion and loyalty to everything they command us to do! We will never leave Jehovah and his loving Organization!
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JW talking to a householder: You shouldn't be shunned by your family just because you are searching for truth and don't agree with the religion you were raised in, that isn't right!
JW's response when another JW wakes up and doesn't want to partake of the religion they were raised in: You are an apostate and must be shunned the rest of your life! How dare you say you have found out any other truth, we have the one and only truth!
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JW talking to a householder: As JWs, we don't have, or support any manmade traditions, we strictly adhere to God's Word, the Bible.
JWs wake up and realize many traditions of men are being followed that have no Scriptural support, such as Judge Rutherford's rule for no one to wear beards. You can write a letter to HQ asking about it, they will respond with pages and pages talking in circles, they don't have a Scriptural response.
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JWs talking to a householder: Yes, we have to endure persecution because Jesus said his true followers would have to endure it, so we're not surprised that people hate us. When we receive it, we rejoice because it's for righteousness sake.
JWs response to the Russia happenings: Let's flee the country and serve Jehovah somewhere else where we won't be persecuted! We need to pray to Jehovah to reverse Dennis Christensen's prison sentence! We need to write Putin millions of letters that this isn't right, we have been wronged and are being persecuted for our faith!
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JWs talking to a householder: As Jehovah's clean people, we stay away from anything that has pagan origins.
Householder: I noticed you have a wedding ring on, that is of pagan origin.
JW's response: Well, that is a personal choice, a conscience matter that we have to decide for on our own.
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JW's talking to a householder: As Jehovah's humble people, we never engage in anything that brings honor to ourselves, it's about praising Jehovah and his great name. For example, we never celebrate our birthday's, give recognition to our mother or father on those holidays, because that would be wrong.
Householder: But don't you have gradution parties, isn't that sort of bringing honor to yourself in the forms of receiving money and gifts for a worldly accomplishment you achieved?
JW's response: Well, that is a personal choice, a conscience matter that we have to decide for on our own.
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JW's talking among themselves in the 1980s:
JW 1: Wow, I'm getting really exhausted from going to meetings Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, it's just too much!
JW 2: Now JW 1, you have a very bad attitude, these are loving provisions from Jehovah, you need to go, we NEED these meetings, every single on of them!
JW's conversation after the Slave gets rid of 1 meeting during the week:
JW 1: I am so glad they got rid of that meeting, I told you I was getting burnt out, I'm sure millions of others felt the same way I did.
JW 2: Stop being prideful and running ahead of Jehovah's chariot. Now that the Slave has cancelled that one meeting, yes, now I agree maybe things were getting a little challenging for the brotherhood to handle it all.
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JW's proclaim: We don't do any of that nonsense Christendom does like passing around collection plates or tithing, they are just trying to make money off of their people.
JW's in reality: Use peer pressure at meetings to pass resolutions and force people to give more. Easy to go unnoticed by mostly everyone not putting money on a plate, but keeping your hand down while everyone else is raising there's, everyone notices. Also, they have printed they would like anyone who is interested in giving to them, to donate cash, savings, retirement, 401k, stocks, bonds, homes, land, jewelry, in essence, any asset of any value.
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JW's: Disfellowshipping and not talking to someone is such a loving provision, it's tough love and helps them come to their senses.
JW's to the rank and file in their publications: Under no conditions, would we want to use the "silent treatment" in our marriages or our friendships with a brother or sister. This is so detrimental to our relationships. It affects ones mental well being and is so unloving and cruel.
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JW's reality: Our leadership do not make any money for what they do, they aren't like Christendom's priests that get a salary. They are working for Jehovah and giving up everything in their lives.
Reality: The Governing Body live a luxurious life, they never have to stress about paying rent or a mortgage, have very nice amenites in Warwick that includes a gym, tennis courts, basketball courts (They also don't show you their living quarters when you tour Warwick), have others do their laundry, have others prepare all their meals, no cars to work on and maintain, fly all over the world on someone elses dime giving talks, treated as celebrities by millions of JWs. You can see this from the midweek meeting this week, the video they played called Love in Action. Sanderson flew to one of the areas ravaged by a natural disaster and you can observe people adore those men. You tell me, are they that different from Christendom's leaders? They aren't driving around in fancy sports cars or living in mansions, but any of us could only dream of having all our needs and wants cared for as they do.
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JW’s reality: People that have been disfellowshipped or disassociated return to the Organization because they love Jehovah and miss him dearly.
Reality: They return because they miss their family and friends dearly. A relationship with Jehovah can still be maintained without the Organization involved, people imprisoned are living proof, or the millions over the years that have disassociated. The Organization even subtly admits people come back for their loved ones in their own videos and examples. Disfellowshipped ones admit if their family or friends would have spoke with them “even just a little bit”, it would have been enough for them to stay away from coming back to the Organization. That sums up why people return, straight from the horse’s mouth.
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JW Relief Ministry - Express your appreciation
by stumbledbyothers intoday, the weekly meeting https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/may-2019-mwb/meeting-schedule-may13-19/our-relief-ministry/.
fyi---had a part about the relief ministry to show what "jehovah" is accomplishing through his organization to help the brothers and sisters abroad to the praise of "jehovah's" name.
even the governing body representation is there for spiritual support.. after this encouraging part, the elders put to the congregation a resolution to send a one time $10,000 to the branch for relief work.
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BourneIdentity
What the JDub leadership is playin’ this week.
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JW Relief Ministry - Express your appreciation
by stumbledbyothers intoday, the weekly meeting https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/may-2019-mwb/meeting-schedule-may13-19/our-relief-ministry/.
fyi---had a part about the relief ministry to show what "jehovah" is accomplishing through his organization to help the brothers and sisters abroad to the praise of "jehovah's" name.
even the governing body representation is there for spiritual support.. after this encouraging part, the elders put to the congregation a resolution to send a one time $10,000 to the branch for relief work.
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BourneIdentity
Those resolutions are complete peer pressure to donate. You are put on the spot and have no choice but to conform and raise your hand in agreement. Whatever happened to giving out of your own willingness and not under compulsion? What a crock of shit, these greedy bastards need to go down.
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JW Relief Ministry - Express your appreciation
by stumbledbyothers intoday, the weekly meeting https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/may-2019-mwb/meeting-schedule-may13-19/our-relief-ministry/.
fyi---had a part about the relief ministry to show what "jehovah" is accomplishing through his organization to help the brothers and sisters abroad to the praise of "jehovah's" name.
even the governing body representation is there for spiritual support.. after this encouraging part, the elders put to the congregation a resolution to send a one time $10,000 to the branch for relief work.
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BourneIdentity
Omg, I think I will be skipping meeting tomorrow night, thanks for the heads up. I will phone in and listen to hear them fleece the flock and not be a part of any resolution to support this multi billion dollar corporation.
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New Light on the 144,000?
by Ding insomeone on facebook is claiming to have reliable information that the gb is about to announce new light on the 144,000 -- that it's symbolic, not literal.. one person suggested that they will retain the two-class teaching and just change the meaning of 144,000. his idea was that the change would avoid three problems with the current teaching:.
1. embarrassment over more and more partakers at the memorial when the number should be getting less and less.. 2. embarrassment over 12 symbolic 12,000s somehow equaling a literal 144,000.. 3. solving the problem of running out of "anointed" ones who are old enough to be on the gb.. thoughts?.
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BourneIdentity
Something popular JWs always say is we need to preach the truth to people, they live with no hope! We need to share our hope with them and change their life!
Let’s step back and analyze this. Most people of other religions believe they are going to heaven. Why do they believe that? Jesus said anyone that believes and drinks the wine and bread will follow him up to heaven. Seems like a hope to me that one can have confidence in.
On the other hand, JWs believe they will be living as perfect humans on earth. Did Jesus tell them that would be the case? No. Did Jesus say some should not partake during the Lords Evening Meal? No. Is there clear evidence there will be a paradise earth? No.
When you analyze this very simply, it’s clear the world has a hope built on a solid foundation, while JWs have a hope built on sand that is slowly getting washed away. JWs believe imperfect men and ignore Jesus. I don’t know how it can be made any clearer and simpler than that.
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Never knew missing meetings was such a big deal
by Biblestudent1 ini do bible study and attend meetings.
”well i was away and i was going to attend in that city”.
i did everything right, i told my bible study conductors in advance and genuinely i wanted to see another hall.
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BourneIdentity
I just can’t wrap my head around why meeting attendance is stressed so hard. We all know it’s the same stuff you’ve heard decade after decade, you will learn nothing new. It is solely catered to new ones and children. Do you all think the Branch, CO, Governing Body have said if the attendance falls below a threshold for a time or the amount of money coming in is less than a threshold, it’s a given they will shutdown the Kingdom Hall? It seems like that would make sense, it’s a business and business is all about money.
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New Light on the 144,000?
by Ding insomeone on facebook is claiming to have reliable information that the gb is about to announce new light on the 144,000 -- that it's symbolic, not literal.. one person suggested that they will retain the two-class teaching and just change the meaning of 144,000. his idea was that the change would avoid three problems with the current teaching:.
1. embarrassment over more and more partakers at the memorial when the number should be getting less and less.. 2. embarrassment over 12 symbolic 12,000s somehow equaling a literal 144,000.. 3. solving the problem of running out of "anointed" ones who are old enough to be on the gb.. thoughts?.
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BourneIdentity
If they can change from a generation being 70-80 years to an overlapping generation while keeping a straight face, this is child’s play for change.