when confronted with angus stewart’s blunt question “do you see yourselves as jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth?” the answer that came from jackson’s lips was astounding.. “that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.
the scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with god’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if i could just clarify a little, going back to matthew 24, clearly, jesus said that in the last days ‐ and jehovah’s witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.
so inthat respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”.
@ waton Go to page 15971and you will get what you seek about Mr Jackson asking the Jesus about what to do in the FUTURE about cases of CSA.
The page number for the document is found at the bottom of each page.
The conversation was interesting though from 15967 down to the LUNCHEON adjournment.
when confronted with angus stewart’s blunt question “do you see yourselves as jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth?” the answer that came from jackson’s lips was astounding.. “that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.
the scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with god’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if i could just clarify a little, going back to matthew 24, clearly, jesus said that in the last days ‐ and jehovah’s witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.
so inthat respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”.
when confronted with angus stewart’s blunt question “do you see yourselves as jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth?” the answer that came from jackson’s lips was astounding.. “that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.
the scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with god’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if i could just clarify a little, going back to matthew 24, clearly, jesus said that in the last days ‐ and jehovah’s witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.
so inthat respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”.
@ScenicViewer
Nice interpretation of what JACKSON said the problem lies in JACKSON words saying they are TRYING to DO SO and in essence TRYING TO BE GODS SPOKESMAN which is different from the QUESTION raised which is........
QUESTION: And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?
Answer: we view ourselves as trying to fulfil that role as JEHOVAH'S GOD'S SPOKESPEOPLE ON EARTH.
In essence they SEE themselves as trying to fulfill the ROLE.
when confronted with angus stewart’s blunt question “do you see yourselves as jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth?” the answer that came from jackson’s lips was astounding.. “that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.
the scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with god’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if i could just clarify a little, going back to matthew 24, clearly, jesus said that in the last days ‐ and jehovah’s witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.
so inthat respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”.
Totalitarian religious rule is at war with democratic individuality There are religious systems that are totalitarian in their rule. History shows one of the oldest of these to be the Roman Catholic religious system. By its spokesmen the claim is made that the salvation of all mankind rests upon the obedience of everybody to the pope at Vatican City. Because it considers itself to be the only agency for human salvation , that religious system has undertaken the program of world conquest. … Watchtower April 1 1956 pg196
The GB who are the spokesmen of the JW organization says the above about the ROMAN CATHOLIC in year 1956. Today the JWs see the roman Catholic as the leading EMPIRE of FALSE religion. You only need to apply the same standard to the JWs organization.
No matter how JACKSON try to wriggle free he still got himself and the ORGANIZATION nailed. They are PRESUMPTUOUS and the words of Samuel to Saul applies to them 1 Samuel 15:22-23..............IDOLATRY.
when confronted with angus stewart’s blunt question “do you see yourselves as jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth?” the answer that came from jackson’s lips was astounding.. “that i think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using.
the scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with god’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if i could just clarify a little, going back to matthew 24, clearly, jesus said that in the last days ‐ and jehovah’s witnesses believe these are the last days ‐ there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food.
so inthat respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role.”.
The whole transcript for this particular case study was interesting as the GB representative knew he got cornered many times despite his best efforts to DEFLECT from question asked he was still found out to be LYING.
Everyone out there only need to listen to the QUESTION again and see how he was trying to SAVE face with the response
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whilst i have never quite understood whether petra and atlantis are one or multiple entities i recognise the value of their work and web of contacts.
i think it is fair to say that no-one has consistently contributed more solid gold intelligence to this site.
no one has reliably passed on more bomb shells and solid news as well as day to day minutiae.
I checked my mails I was surprised those goodies were absent. I thought perhaps nothing of importance is available until I got to this thread.
What is going on?
so the past couple of years, i’ve read several stories about jws who left the organization at an early age because they knew something wasn’t right------but they never bothered to research the religion.
there was this feeling that the watchtower was not god’s only channel.
so they left at an early age.
They can equally get CHRONOLOGY or REVELATION done by Doug Mason on numerous publications of JWS.
For example the same ORGANIZATION state the below......
.......Totalitarian religious rule is at war with democratic individuality There are religious systems that are totalitarian in their rule. History shows one of the oldest of these to be the Roman Catholic( replace with Jehovah's witnesses) religious system. By its spokesmen - pope( replace with Governing body) the claim is made that the salvation of all mankind rests upon the obedience of everybody to the pope at Vatican City( the 8 GB at Walkill or Warwick). Because it considers itself to be the only agency for human salvation , that religious system has undertaken the program of world conquest( preaching in 235 lands ahahahaha). … Where these totalitarian religionists are in the majority this use of force has resulted in the practice of intolerance; but where they are in the minority they call for toleration and plead for it and demand it. Just as soon as they get the upper hand, then they abuse their power and position and they themselves practice intolerance and all other methods to take away religious liberty from others( go against the GB and its foot soldiers you will live to tell the story). … The *totalitarian* system, therefore, has to be *enforced by compulsion and is at war with all democratic individuality........April 1 1956 Watchtower pg 196
The finger they point at others is what they DO. Jesus said unless your RIGHTEOUSNESS is greater than the PHARISEES. Whenever I read these words of JESUS one common thing about Pharisee is HYPOCRISY. The ORGANIZATION reels and reeks HYPOCRISY. Their publication over the years is a credible and faithful witness to that.
At the point of my own exit, of one the elder said sometimes we tend to find the unexpected in the ORGANIZATION. I laughed and said......"When we see such unexpected we keep mute and take it as nothing" but when other Christian denominations do it, we should pick up stones and STONE them.
What should we call that if not HYPOCRISY.
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hello people,.
some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.
https://beroeans.net/2020/11/13/its-about-time/
Read the above contained I that link. Then share what you understand about the below
One scripture that has helped me greatly, is Jeremiah 29; God’s instructions to the exiles taken to Babylon. There were false prophets predicting an early return to Judah, but Jeremiah told them that they needed to get on with life in Babylon. They were instructed to build homes, marry, and live out their lives. Jeremiah 29:4 “This is what the Lord of armies, the God of Israel, says to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: 5 ‘Build houses and live in them; and plant gardens and eat their produce. 6 Take wives and father sons and daughters, and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands, so that they may give birth to sons and daughters; and grow in numbers there and do not decrease. 7 Seek the prosperity of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord in its behalf; for in its prosperity will be your prosperity.” I strongly recommend reading the entire chapter of Jeremiah 29.
We’re in a fallen world, and life is not always easy. But we can apply Jeremiah 29 to our current situation, and leave Armageddon in God’s hands. As long as we remain faithful, our God will remember us when His time arrives. He doesn’t expect us to freeze ourselves in time in order to please Him. Armageddon is His deliverance from evil, not a Sword of Damocles that freezes us in our tracks
Note: they are not my own personal experience. I came across it as well. The reason I am sharing it with you.
Don't forget you have a master to follow.........JESUS his words, way of life and works are still. in the Bible you carry. This is the opportunity to read the GOSPELS again without using the LENS of the ORGANIZATION you are still a member of.
Scarlet: how to lead a normal life, even though I have been learning and I am actually having fun for the first time
Longlivetherenegades: Romans 12: 1-21 is clue to the above. Go about it in a discipline way.
Scarlet: I think that person should be the one having a problem with me and not the other way around, but I feel like I don't want to stand around that jw anymore,
Longlivetherenegades: The battle have just started, you are on the BACKFOOT already. Cutting ties with a JW is not synonymous with not wanting to have them AROUND. You want to do the SHUNNING yourself and not the other way round.
Scarlet: because I plan on cutting ties to this religion in the near future. I still am figuring out what to do with regard to my job
Longlivetherenegades: leaving the religion of Jws is not a reason to LEAVE your job because you don't want them around you. Going to another place far for another job does not guarantee you not coming in contact with JWS. You should not be on the run because of JWs. Are you hiding something?
Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no one pursues, But the righteous are bold as a lion.
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hello people,.
some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.
nitty gritty: ......But it seems you were never personally convinced about what your mom taught you in the first place, and so now apostate material is giving you the answers you want to hear, to make leaving easier in your mind.
Longlivetherenegades: In the final analysis Scarlet has her load to CARRY. Whatever assumptions you try to use through LEGALISM or SPECULATIONS can't describe her state of mind right now. You are dealing with TYPED words just like every other person here.
APOSTATES materials in recent times is seen as old publications of the very ORGANIZATION that calls those leaving APOSTATES.
e.g 1. PUT FAITH IN A VISIBLE ORGANIZATION
2. We should likewise listen to any instructions we receive from Jehovah’s organization and obey promptly and wholeheartedly. This is true even if it does not seem important to follow them or we do not understand the reason for the instructions
Do you see the IF and SEEMS?
3. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.
Since the spiritual food is not PERFECT, Do you agree the main DISH always comes with a POISONED side dish? and after years the poisoned side DISH accumulates and reaches LETHAL DOSAGE 50 it kills the person in the sense that the PERSON becomes an APOSTATES which in the eyes of GB and their followers are DESPICABLE APOSTATES soon to vanish like a SMOKE.
