Posts by Sevan

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Plastic Surgery

by raven in

hi everyone- i don't have much of an update on my current situation ( refer to previous posts ) august 1st has past, (the day the judicial committee was supposedly held against me- and that i didn't attend, no word on anything as of now, thankfully i am moving to a new home next week which means no more elders sending me spooky jc invite mail!

anyways, i'm getting off the main reason why i'm posting.. so i have tendency to drift off into thought and have discussions with myself, ( i'm not crazy i swear!

) i was thinking today, have we heard any more updates on appearances?

Sevan

Yeah, she commits tax fraud too according to my husband. The thing is she hides everything and denies denies denies. I found her fake Facebook account under a false name that is just for her double life. My husband mentioned it to her and she immediately took it down. Then put it back up a couple of weeks later under a different false name, lol.

My husband and I don't care enough about her business to make a deal of it with the elders. Not to mention that if my husband ever tried to get her df'd by bringing up all he knows to the elders, it would be WWIII between her and him and she would make his life hell. Because she's super vindictive like that. She's already put him through the ringer as it is, so he really doesn't want to poke the bear.

Honestly, I would find that kind of lifestyle exhausting. I don't understand people that put on pretenses like that. Such a waste of time if you ask me.

Yeah, and I agree with you about the one guy situation. Plus you are not even going anymore, so what do they care? Some elders let stuff slide and some enjoy the witch hunt. Sounds like you have witch hunting elders unfortunately.

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Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

by Simon in

let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

if you get a down-vote, live with it.

Sevan

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I've had enough..

by raven in

so last night, after thinking "wow those pesky elders have finally left me alone, maybe since i skipped out on their jc invitation back on august 1st they've given up" wrong.. i go to check the mail and there's an envelope at my front door- lo and behold, another letter from from these elders.. why won't they leave me alone already?

i'll attach a picture of the letter.. again, same letter as the first one inviting me to a judicial committee on august 15th - and signed by all three elders.. should i just continue to ignore?

quite frankly i don't give a rats arse i've been enjoying life free from the mind control of the organization, and i just wish they would drop it and let me live life.. like i mentioned before, i am moving to a new home next week, the only reason these elders have my current address ( which happens to be over 100 miles away from the cong ) is because my mother gave it to them, after i gave it to her in confidence to forward me my mail.. so lets just say she won't be getting my new address... i don't have any contact with ones from this congregation (i'm an ex pioneer, so i'm sure if they've gotten word on what i'm doing, i must be satan himself!

Sevan

Wow, so sorry your mother sold you out like that. This cult really perverts normal family relationships.

Most normal families have a ride or die mentality and back up their own.

All of my bio family are not JWs and they are like that. Seeing their enduring support and unconditional love is one of the things that helped wake me up, since it is such a contrast to the organization.

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Plastic Surgery

by raven in

hi everyone- i don't have much of an update on my current situation ( refer to previous posts ) august 1st has past, (the day the judicial committee was supposedly held against me- and that i didn't attend, no word on anything as of now, thankfully i am moving to a new home next week which means no more elders sending me spooky jc invite mail!

anyways, i'm getting off the main reason why i'm posting.. so i have tendency to drift off into thought and have discussions with myself, ( i'm not crazy i swear!

) i was thinking today, have we heard any more updates on appearances?

Sevan

Raven - yeah, she was and is a JW. Yet has lived a total double life for years. Example: she has the kids afraid of Christmas, yet secretly celebrates. She dresses like a prostitute, not exaggerating, when she's not around JWs. She has tons of close worldly friends. She's had secret worldly boyfriends for years and she would give the kids to us extra nights and weekends so she could spend extra time with them (we already have split custody and she already barely works). She recently secretly married a guy that we didn't find out about until after they got married. So my kids have a new step-dad. Seems to be a nice guy so far, so that's good. Unfortunately, she's roping him into the cult. She's a very controlling person, so she looks for passive, easy to control guys and it looks like she found one. She is a complete narcissist and pathological liar. I know that she lied about what she was making to the courts because I tallied up her rent, car payment and some other bills I knew she had and the number she gave the courts was at least $1,000 short. There are so many other things, I could go on.

Anyway, I wouldn't care about most of these things if she wasn't presenting herself as a super righteous and pious person to the kids and indoctrinating them into the cult. And boy are they indoctrinated big time. Hopefully, I can help them wake up as they get older and start thinking more for themselves.

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Paranormal Warning

by Cold Steel in

i've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.

i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.

what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.

Sevan

snare&racket, I really appreciate your thoughtful and philosophical replies. Let me ask you a question? Do you believe that people that have these chemical imbalances have a choice? Can they choose not to act on these base desires that give a chemical reward?

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Paranormal Warning

by Cold Steel in

i've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.

i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.

what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.

Sevan

We are not lions hunting for prey to survive. That is not even a related scenario to what I'm talking about.

There is no survival benefit for a mother to torture her child. So, yeah, I can't compare the two in your scenario. It is apples and oranges.

I get that there are mental imbalances that contribute to these actions, but they do not completely explain them. Because there are a lot of people that have psychopathy and schizophrenia and other disorders that choose not to act on their more base thoughts and desires. And it still does not explain the extreme degree of cruelty that is seen. Actions that are unfathomable and unimaginable. I've read a lot in psychological textbooks about psychopathy and it is still not well understood and the extreme actions of some are not well understood.

I agree that religious ideas are often easy answers for topics that are difficult to comprehend. I agree that it is a sign of intellectual curiosity to try to find the scientific answer and to do academic research. However, I also believe that philosophy and religious ideas have a place in our understanding of the world and of the human race. In our understanding of morality and love.

I want to believe in a loving, benevolent creator. To believe in a reason and purpose. Yet, if I think deeply about the madness and chaos in the world, it its hard to understand why God would let such things continue and I don't find the Biblical answer completely satisfactory.

I want to believe that this is not all there is. I want to believe that the 1 year old baby girl that was raped to death will live again and be loved outside of this cruel world. That the poor 13 year old boy that was caged, starved and beaten to death will know that he is valuable and his life does matter. His name was Christian and I'll never forget reading about him. I've kept him in my heart all these years. Hoping that someday in the resurrection I would meet him and tell him how loved he was and that I could be something of a mommy to him. This world is just such a heartbreaking place for so many innocents. I want to believe there is love, beauty and joy on the other side for them.

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Plastic Surgery

by raven in

hi everyone- i don't have much of an update on my current situation ( refer to previous posts ) august 1st has past, (the day the judicial committee was supposedly held against me- and that i didn't attend, no word on anything as of now, thankfully i am moving to a new home next week which means no more elders sending me spooky jc invite mail!

anyways, i'm getting off the main reason why i'm posting.. so i have tendency to drift off into thought and have discussions with myself, ( i'm not crazy i swear!

) i was thinking today, have we heard any more updates on appearances?

Sevan

Mommy make over is breast lift/augmentation and tummy tuck/lipo.

My husband's ex secretly got that done a couple of years ago. She still won't admit to it, even though it's really obvious as she looks totally different and she got huge implants, lol. The most annoying thing about that is that she had us watch the kids for a full two weeks while she recovered and we were killing ourselves with child support payments. (she bought a brand new car right before that too). Hard not to be resentful when you are working your butt off to get by paycheck to paycheck and this lady that is taking a huge portion of that paycheck and working super part-time (only 15 hours a week) is living a lifestyle that you could only dream of. But I digress.

The reason women get the surgery is that being pregnant/breastfeeding really does a number on a lot of women's bodies. It's a pretty popular surgery combination to get after having kids.

I'll consider getting it myself if I'm not able to get my body back with exercise after I'm done having babies.

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Paranormal Warning

by Cold Steel in

i've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.

i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.

what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.

Sevan

Ok, I hear what y'all are saying. It is just the level of cruel evil things that some people do that are hard to understand. Like what possesses an 8 year old child to torture and kill an innocent animal? Or a 17 year old boy to rape, torture and kill a little child? What would cause a mother to starve, torture, beat and kill her own child? All these evil things and worse are things that people have actually done. How does such things even come up into their mind?

I guess the demon idea always made more sense to me because I could not imagine people being so evil and vicious on their own, especially after such a short time on the earth. The demons, ostensibly, have had thousands of years of complete darkness from love and goodness with which to hone their cruelty and viciousness. This idea has always made more sense than people just being that evil on their own.

I have spent decades reading and watching about crime trying to figure out that never ending question "why?" Yet, I never can get a satisfactory answer. It is all so senseless. There is never a real answer as to why people do these things.

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Poor Sisters

by Darryl in

jw
friends

i really felt for you sisters i mean i really did.

when you showed up at the sunday meeting and found out the subject of the talk was going to be -and i can't quite remember the exact wording- but something to the effect of marriage and headship, or honoring and obeying your husband, or something like that how many of you wanted to jump right back in your car and head home.

i mean 45 straight minutes of beating down you poor ladies and telling you that you are not worthy of making one decision, taking the lead in anything, don't question the man be obedient and keep quiet.

Sevan

And for any Bay Area residents:

Yes I know the Cow Palace is technically in Daly City, but I said San Francisco for the benefit of non-residents. Close enough.

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Poor Sisters

by Darryl in

jw
friends

i really felt for you sisters i mean i really did.

when you showed up at the sunday meeting and found out the subject of the talk was going to be -and i can't quite remember the exact wording- but something to the effect of marriage and headship, or honoring and obeying your husband, or something like that how many of you wanted to jump right back in your car and head home.

i mean 45 straight minutes of beating down you poor ladies and telling you that you are not worthy of making one decision, taking the lead in anything, don't question the man be obedient and keep quiet.

Sevan

Smiddy, that is Sam Herd's talk. That is the same talk where he talks about how women's brains are smaller than men's brains and that women don't have the brain capacity to lead and are overly emotional. Then in the *same* talk, he told sisters that are smarter than their husband to play dumb. So one minute sisters are too dumb to lead and the next they are smarter than their husbands and should play dumb so as not to insult their fragile egos.

I remember that talk. Sam came to the Cow Palace in San Francisco and gave that talk sometime either 2006 or 2007 at a convention I went to. Sam Herd and Stephen Lett especially love coming to Cali for Circuit Assemblies and Conventions. We get some of the other GB members from time to time, but we've had those two a bunch of times.

Anyway, that was one of many talks and articles over the years that made me really mad or that I could see was unbiblical and illogical.

Yet, you have to understand the cognitive dissonance and the high stakes of leaving. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) and personal relationships. I just kept hoping they would change and kept telling myself that I should "wait on Jehovah." I let myself believe that I could take the good reminders and ignore the bad. That I didn't have to believe everything to still benefit and be of benefit as a JW. Recently, I realized that the GB was not going to change and that "waiting on Jehovah" was an exercise in futility as Jehovah is in no way involved in this organization. That is why I left. Thanks to all apostates that helped me leave. You really are doing good work!