Posts by trevor

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The Great Love of Your Life

by waiting in

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the following quote is by farkel from h20, explaining the slow changes in rick, who is forum director?

farkel: http://www.cyberpass.net/~h2o/wwwboard/hourglass2board.frames.alt.html.

posted by farkel [keflar] on january 09, 2001 at 07:47:38 {bwzcy8br/qtkpaniraaivhkqcjatlo}:.

trevor

Thanks to all of you who are taking the time to join in this discussion.

I think the thing we all mean when we say we are looking for truth is - what is the purpose of life and what finally happens to us. It is our awareness of our existence that compels us to seek answers. Animals have no such problem. They just are and they just exist. Did life originaly intend us to occupy our time thinking about the future?

If the life force with all it's intelligence and power had wanted us to know for sure then we would. No one has come back to tell us what, if anything, is on the other side. People like Jesus who is reported to have done so never put a word on paper himself. His whole life is a second hand account told by men. I once read a book called '300 near death experiences.' The accounts from those who claimed to have been to the other side and back were utterly compeling. But in the final analysis we individualy choose whether to belive them or not. They could be called witnesses to the truth, but as with any witness their testimony can be inacurate.

Whatever we finaly settle on as truth will always be nothing more than an opinion of our own or someone else which we choose to accept. We then call it our faith and defend it against other peoples opinions. Could it be that the life force has not mapped out the whole future of the universe but is having an adventure that will lead to where it will lead and we all have a part to play in the final result? If that were the case then the only truth would be the present moment.

trevor

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The Great Love of Your Life

by waiting in

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the following quote is by farkel from h20, explaining the slow changes in rick, who is forum director?

farkel: http://www.cyberpass.net/~h2o/wwwboard/hourglass2board.frames.alt.html.

posted by farkel [keflar] on january 09, 2001 at 07:47:38 {bwzcy8br/qtkpaniraaivhkqcjatlo}:.

trevor

Hello Wendy,

You have summed up the feelings of so many who left the WT. When I left, I also left entirely off my own back. It was 15 years ago - after many years of doubt. There is a saying 'You know more that you think you know.' I think when we all look back we knew something was wrong for far longer than we would consciously admit to ourselves, at the time.

There was no support or internet forum to validate our thoughts, we just acted on our own reluctant conclusion that we had been had. The WT brainwashes it's members to belive that the brave stay and the weak leave. Bunkham! The weak stay and the brave leave. You are strong and brave and worth more than 10 sheep who say Baaaaah!

All the Best

trevor

51

Do you still attend meetings?

by Sassenach in

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i'm wondering if you still attend meetings?

do you hold out hope for the watchtower organization?

if you've left entirely, have you found another form of worship?

trevor

Hello Sassencha

I haven't been to a meeting for more than 15 years. It is hard to believe that I had my head so far up for so long (in the clouds!)My advice to anyone who has escaped from the Watchtower is to stop looking for another prison - the open countryside is great once you get used to the fresh air and freedom.

trevor

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The Great Love of Your Life

by waiting in

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the following quote is by farkel from h20, explaining the slow changes in rick, who is forum director?

farkel: http://www.cyberpass.net/~h2o/wwwboard/hourglass2board.frames.alt.html.

posted by farkel [keflar] on january 09, 2001 at 07:47:38 {bwzcy8br/qtkpaniraaivhkqcjatlo}:.

trevor

I fully appreciate the above sentiments as I was totaly involved with the WT for the first thirty years of my life many as a pioneer.Like so many others I thought 'the truth' must lay elsewhere. But this idea of finding a complete set of beliefs in a ready made package is a hang up from having once believed that such a thing existed. I no longer look for 'the truth' I simply look for truth. It is found in unexpected places and when enough pieces have been gathered, an understanding of the true reality of existence emerges.

The reason so many people reject this reality is becauce it is not what they had hoped it would be. To find truth we have to be intrepid travellers. An arranged package holiday is not the same thing. Real truth is both incovinient and offers no guarantees, no promises, no rewards no ready made answers. Those that look for more will always end up back under the control of another organisation - usually Christian based becauce the whole structure of modern christian religions lend themselves to offering a comfort based set of beliefs - provided you keep the rules. Living without the comfort of the WT or any other 'come to the Father' club takes great courage when you have been brought up to expect such support but the true reality offers far more - it is just that what it offers is different and more subtle.

trevor

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The Society and the Witness

by trevor in

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the society and the witness.

the witness and the society.

the society said nothing but.

trevor

Hello Redhorse woman,

Thanks for reading my ravings in poem form. The poem is a corruption of an eighteen verse poem from 'Through the Looking Glass' a follow on to 'Alice in Wonderland.'It comes from the chapter 'Tweedledum & Tweedledee. It never had a title but as you said, it was about the walrus & the carpenter and it was the walrus who ate the osters. I used it as a base because I liked the crisp pace of the poem.

You know a lot of people compare the WT to Georgr Orwells '1984' but I find great similarities with the work of Lewis Carrol. He was one sandwich short of a picnic too. I may pick another poem from his works a have a little more fun. Perhaps I should get out more!
I enjoy reading all your postings.

All the Best

trevor

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The Society and the Witness

by trevor in

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the society and the witness.

the witness and the society.

the society said nothing but.

trevor

Just a poem to cheer you all up. 10 verses. E mail it to a friend!

The Society and the Witness

'The time has come' the Witness said,
'To talk of many things:
of time - and truth - and old truths -
of false prophecies - and kings -
And why Armageddon's still not here -
And whether dates have wings.'

The Witness and the Society
Walked a mile or so,
And then rested on a Bible
Conveniently their own:
And all the other Witnesses stood
And waited in a row.

But four young brothers hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed,Their clothes were clean and neat-
And this was odd, because, you know,
It wasn't time to meet.

'But wait a bit,' the members cried
'Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And not sure we believe all that!'
'No choice!' The Society said.
They thanked them very much for that.

'If seven Elders with seven pens,
Wrote for half a year,
Do you suppose,' the Witness said,
'That we could get it clear?,
'I doubt it,' the Society said,
And shed a bitter tear.

'A new date,' the Society said,
'Is what we chiefly need:
Books and magazines besides
Are very good indeed-
Now if your ready, Brothers dear'
We can begin to read.

'It seems a shame,' the Witness said,
To play them such a trick
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!'
The Society said nothing but
'We'll use a bigger stick!'

The Society looked at him
But never a word they said:
The Witness wiped his eye,
And shook his weary head-
Meaning to say he did not choose
To go where they now led.

'I weep for you, 'the Witness said:
'I deeply sympathise.'
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Books of the laargest size,
Holding his Watchtower
before his streaming eyes.

'O Brothers,' the Society said,
'You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting to the Hall again?'
But answers came there none-
And this was scarcely odd, because
They no longer found it fun.

Trevor Willis

Edited by - trevor on 8 January 2001 12:45:4

10

All my life...

by SixofNine in

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....i have always heard the term, "dedication", used as part and parcle of the term/act of baptism.

you know, "dedication and baptism".. just recently, i've been wondering, why?

it's not that i don't believe dedicating oneself to jehovah is a noble thing, i'm just wondering what the reasoning is for formally linking dedication with baptism.. have i missed something really simple here?

trevor

I too was baptised at 13 years. I then vacationed pioneered Now called temporary)every school holiday until I was 15. I then became a regular pioneer. Naturaly I cleaned windows to pay my way - didn't we all in the UK. Nothing unique about my story. I was just one more defenceless kid who was brain-washed into wasting the first 30 years of his life.

I am 45 now happy married and free of all that nonesence. I urge anyone who has doubts - to get out of her my people - flee from the disgusting thing that causes desolation. I mean the Watchtower Club.

trevor

Edited by - trevor on 8 January 2001 9:5:59

116

Confessing

by STRUGGLE in

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hello, i was reading judical com.

was really suprise to find out how some of jw's feel.

some have, like the single mom, have such a negative experience with them.

trevor

Dear struggle,

You are taking these elders too seriously. They are 'nothing but a pack of cards.'I recommend reading 'Alice in wonderland' to gain a true understanding of the way their court sittings work. The only power that they have over you is the power that you choose to give them. In the real world they are without authority.

'We have nothing to fear exept fear itself.'Face that which you fear the most and it will vanish.

All the best
Trevor

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need help re 607 date

by hosebracket in

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i am new to this.. i have a problem.

someone on my ministry asked me about the date that we hold so dear....607 bce and asked me to prove it to them.

this would not be a problem i thought as the f&ds would have solid basis for using such a date.

trevor

There is no support for this date whatsoever. Any encyclopaedia can be checked to verify the true date as 586 BCE.Read Raymond Franz' book 'Crisis of Conscience' available through Amazon web site. R.Franz was responsible for researching this topic for the 'Aid' book.

As the WT has built it's house of card based on this date and counted forward 2,520 years to 1914 then distorted Biblical text to count 3 & 1/2 years to 1919 they cannot now admit their mistake.What would become of their many applications of prophecy regarding the witnesses lain dead on the Broadway, or the resurection to heaven in 1919 of their chosen members in place of the faithfull men of old .Their house of cards would collapse if this error became common knowledge amoung their members.

How can a group of men claim Divine guidence and say they are God's only channel of communication with humans and then make such an obbvious mistake. A second grade schoolboy could have done better.But then again the WT does not encourage education!

All those who believe that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE despite having never sought confirmation of the TRUTH of this false date say Baaaah!

Trevor

Edited by - trevor on 7 January 2001 10:8:40

Edited by - trevor on 7 January 2001 10:12:7

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Who really is the FDS?!?!?!?!?

by LDH in

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hey all, hope you're having a great year so far.. before witnet was closed down, there was an interesting discussion regarding the fds and their failed prophecies.

i asked a question, but unfortunately there wasn't enought time to get everyone's view.. so i'll rephrase my posts, and wait to hear from y'all.. if we are so quick to say that the fds is a false prophet because of some failed prophecies (even tho they say they don't prophecy, we all know better) then how would you explain the bible book of jonah?.

a faithful prophet, jonah, followed (after much trial and tribulation to himself) jehovah's command to declare destruction on the city of nineveh.

trevor

I left the Witnesses after spending the first 30 years of my life with them - many as a pioneer. What troubles me is the eagerness of so many who leave to join another faulty religion. Once you have won your freedom why not treasure it? Books and religion are just the muddled thoughts of men. I urge you not to surrender your birthright to those who tell you that life is dependent on membership of their club.It is sometimes easier to believe what we want to, rather than face reality. Reality is not always agreeable but it is always truthful. There is truth in the silent witness of nature for it simply is and always will be.The search for truth is a personal responsibility and gives meaning to life. Neither the Watchtower Society's ready-made package nor any other short-cut on offer will ever be a true substitute.

Life has chosen to live in you, therefore you were worthy of life before you were born.You have alraedy been invited to the banquet of life and it is free. The only qualification is that you are alive - and you are - wonderfully alive. I hope that in your journey through life you find peace within yourself, for it is the hallmark of truth.
I have learned never to miss the moment in search of the future for today was once yesterdays future.

I will write in again with some more relevent information on the Watchtower Society rather than waxing lyrical but I thank you for reading my ravings I feel a bit better now. Ahhhhh!

Trevor

Edited by - trevor on 7 January 2001 9:5:45