Posts by trevor

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You Libs keep 'dancing around the issue'

by Shining One in

since so many of you keep avoiding the primary issue in two other threads, chew on this one!

terry said this: .

>life is at the basis of reality for humans.

trevor

Well put - funky Derek

I struggle to see how shining one/Rex can insist that humans would act in a less humane way without a universal code of guidance from a murderous tribal god.

It seems that the imitation of the tribal god of the Bible is in some ways to blame for mans cruelty. Man has been able to carry out atrocities and claim they are done in the name of this god, as he is portrayed by his inventors as a god of war and vengeance who approves of such conduct.

I am not without belief, I just don’t subscribe to the same low morality that Rex does. That is why I could never accept his idea of a god as moral.

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You Libs keep 'dancing around the issue'

by Shining One in

since so many of you keep avoiding the primary issue in two other threads, chew on this one!

terry said this: .

>life is at the basis of reality for humans.

trevor

‘The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.’ Hosea 13:16

Shining one,

For someone who appears to have so much respect for unborn babies you worship a incredibly immoral god!

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You Libs keep 'dancing around the issue'

by Shining One in

since so many of you keep avoiding the primary issue in two other threads, chew on this one!

terry said this: .

>life is at the basis of reality for humans.

trevor

There is a continual reference to law and laws to a point of obsession throughout this and other threads by Shining One.

Laws are made by people in power. The laws then have to be regularly enforced so that they act as a deterrent. If those in power never enforce the laws they have made, in time the laws become useless and the population assume that they are no longer in force. More than this, they see the law maker as weak and unable to maintain the laws he has made. Governments succeed or fail to the degree that they can enforce their will and laws.

Thousands of years of human history shows us this reality in action. It would be pointless for a supreme being to make absolute laws and then do nothing to enforce them. That would create a worse state of affairs than not making laws of any kind. Even when those in power cause the death and suffering to millions of people, there is no intervention or law enforcement from a supreme being.

The only logical conclusion is that no universal laws have been made in the first place. There has never been a universal code of conduct that has been accepted by every nation.

We as humans are on a journey of discovery. Laws are made by each society as they are deemed helpful or necessary, either for those in power or the population in general.

Whether a supreme being God exists is not the issue here. What is clear is that no such supreme being has operated through the making and enforcement of laws, throughout the whole of human history.

Once that concept is grasped it becomes possible to see what forces are really in operation throughout the universe.

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I'm in love with a jehovas witness (plz reply to [email protected])

by Devorak in

to all out there that read this forum, " i'm not a jehovas witness!".

but i am in love with someone.

i understand because i have read much information on the internet regarding these kinds of relationships.

trevor

I've agreed to no sex until marraige which obviously is the way it should be.

It is not obvious to me.

How will you know if you are compatible enough to make a life long commitment? Would you agree to work for one firm for the rest of your life without a trial period? There are many things you need to learn about each other before you can consider marriage.

I hope it all works out for you.

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what is the definition of a christian?

by sinamongurl in

what does christian mean anyway?

doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man?

arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man?

trevor

Little Toe

I appreciate your willingness to look for the points that people agree on, the common ground, rather than looking for opportunities to clash.

Over the months your remarks have helped me to develop an understanding of Christianity and what Christians are seeking to convey. I have, at times, focused too much on more extreme Bible passages rather than the essence of Christianity. No doubt an influence from my years as a Jehovah’s Witnesses.

You once asked me why I bothered to get worked up about the teachings in the Bible if I don’t believe them? You asked why it should matter to me what people believe? That made me stop and think.

I admire your sincerity and your way of focusing on the positive, spiritual ideals that are at the heart of being a Christian. There are other faiths that I am more drawn too but I see the good intention in spiritual teachings.

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I want a "No Blood Card"!

by Bee in

ok, first off, let me make it clear that i'm no baptized jehovah's witness.

i studied for about 2 1/2 years, and was a publisher for about half the time.

i don't attend meetings, because..well.... i haven't yet summoned enough courage to ask forgiveness for my many wrong-doings.

trevor

Ballistic - For a glove puppet you have got some nasty habits!

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what is the definition of a christian?

by sinamongurl in

what does christian mean anyway?

doesnt it mean a follower of christ.....a man?

arent "we" supposed to be followers of god and not man?

trevor

Shining one

On another thread started by you - referring to me you state.

I believe you actively hate Christianity by ANY definition.

You have many beliefs many of which are based on your opinion and like the statement above are not based on fact. Hate is a very strong emotion and I reserve it for extreme situations.

I view Christianity as one of many religions alongside Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism and so on. They all strive to make sense of our existence give life a long term purpose. They do both good and harm to peoples minds and lives but I do not hate or even disapprove of people striving to do the right thing and find approval. It is just that I do not accept that the Bible even gets close to explaining what is really going on in the universe.

You have chosen to take the Bible literally and endorse every idea it puts forth however contradictory. This causes you to clash with other ‘Christians’ on this board who take a more benign view of what constitutes a Christian.

Your vigorous attempts to vanquish all counter arguments does cause me to wonder what really motivates you. I know you believe that you have ‘the truth’ and therefore everyone else must be wrong but you are thinking from inside a box. Until you are able to step outside and look beyond religious dogma you will never understand that morality is the responsibility of humans.

We are defined by how we live our lives, treat others and contribute to the outworking of human evolution - not by a label that we wear.

trevor

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Elders appointed by Holy Spirit???

by wozadummy in

jw
friends

do you remember years ago this was mentioned among the brothers in conversations about elders?

yet i cannot ever recall being directed to a scripture which proved all elders were appointed by holy spirit.

it seems that everyone just accepted that they were, including myself , and yet how is this possible considering how many i've seen were corrupt when appointed.. any others think about this when in the org

trevor

There have been many changes in how elders were appointed. This change happened about 1935.

Each congregation had until then, been run by members who had been voted in to the position of elder, by the other congregation members. They were now stripped of this title, and told that all congregations were to be run by company servants appointed by head office.

The Society had, in one move, taken away these men’s positions as elders chosen by each congregation, and at the same time the hope of heavenly life for nearly all the members. This position was now reserved for the directors. In view of the higher class they were now in, they would make all future decisions regarding congregation matters. This gave the Society total control.

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It's official. God doesn't exist.

by Jourles in

jw
friends

link to article

kiev (reuters) - a man shouting that god would keep him safe was mauled to death by a lioness in kiev zoo after he crept into the animal's enclosure, a zoo official said on monday.

"the man shouted 'god will save me, if he exists', lowered himself by a rope into the enclosure, took his shoes off and went up to the lions," the official said.. "a lioness went straight for him, knocked him down and severed his carotid artery.".

trevor

From now on I shall pray to the Lion King.

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No Absolute Truth

by Shining One in

this one is for the politically correct crowd: .

is there no 'absolute truth'?

do you want to live that one out?

trevor

shining one

This tiny god you worship is apparently morally inferior to the majority of human beings on this planet.

Your reply

More of the same and the usual bluster from someone who typically spews hatred at any who oppose him.

You avoid the importance of the point made with a retort that sums up you own response perfectly!