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  'Lost' redux

  by Rex B13 in

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  being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

  what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

  we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

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  Trilobite

  Seeker,

  You're entitled to your views, of course. Rex and I also go back, and I have had ample opportunity to observe his ignorance and his bigotism. Personally I have never considered ignorant fanatical bigots and liars to be "good men." These are exactly the kind of people who would actually kill others who oppose their world view, given the right circumstances, as we know all to well. Had Rex an iota of intelligence, or the opportunity, then his attitudes would be dangerous. Anyone who argues that the Golden Rule doesn't work when it comes to nations is endorsing the kinds of actions engaged in by terrorists who are merely waging war in an asymmetric environment. If the tables were turned Rex would, no doubt, do the same thing. In fact, I would be surprised if this sterling, born again "Christian" would not endorse the use of nuclear weapons against innocent civilians so as to preserve his twisted ideals.

  There are is real evil in this world and it manifests itself initially in attitudes. This bozo, this "good man", exhibits these attitudes in rich measure.
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  'Lost' redux

  by Rex B13 in

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  being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

  what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

  we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

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  : Try taking a little survey of those who have the atheist/liberal world-view, common denominators are these causes;

  : big goverment,

  And just who is the head of the biggest government on the planet? An atheist? Name the last atheist president.

  : abolishing religion from public places (ACLU),

  Given the recent acts of fanatic religionists then that might not be a bad idea. However, no atheist would sanction that because most believe in free speech. Tell me Rex, how does some religious nut who bombs an abortion clinic differ from those who attacked the WTC? Apart from the notion that there god is evil and yours is good?

  :extreme environmentalism,

  Right. Let's kill the forests.

  :socialism,

  Let's kill the poor.

  : feminism (not rights-man hating),

  Let's abuse the women, and, if they don't do our bidding, as lesser vessels, why not kill them too. But we'll rape 'em first.

  : abortions,

  Let's save the foetii so they can grow up to be killers like us. Or, at best, let them grow up in poverty because we oppose sex education, or any real education if it comes to that.

  : animal rights (our cousins!),

  kill the aniamls too.

  : evolution,

  Kill thought.

  : pacifism,

  Kill Jesus teachings.

  : no gun rights,

  He who lives by the sword.

  : against capital punishment

  Kill the criminals too.

  : and often anti-Americanism.

  Kill everyone else.

  Rex, isn't it about time that you checked yourself in? You really are a piece of shit.

  T.
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  'Lost' redux

  by Rex B13 in

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  being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

  what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

  we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

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  Trilobite

  I finally understand why God desires that some of his followers be martyrs. It wasn't to inspire others; it was to get idiots like Rex of his back.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

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  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Seeker,

  Rex is guided purely by his fanatical religious fervor. I wonder how he would feel if it were made illegal to protest outside abortion clinics? Certainly, one could make a valid case that rightwing religious nurtcases have engaged in terrorism against doctors and law abiding citizens seeking an abortion. Perhaps, for Rex, his ID card should have encoded "born again Christian, with anti-abortion tendencies" laminated into it. Then, if ever a clinic were attacked in Rex's vicinity, he could be hauled in and made to sit with all those big sweaty guys for a day or two. Of course, with half the administration being born-again then maybe not.

  T.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

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  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  conflicted,

  America was a democracy in the 50s, yes? Ask a black person living in the south what it was like.

  T.
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  The Bible advances women's rights

  by Rex B13 in

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  our forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.

  in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.

  here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).

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  Trilobite

  : I hope he did spend hours putting it together because then I really enjoy ignoring it!

  Prov. 18:13 snotbrain.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

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  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Trilobite

  Right Rex,

  And if you've lost your ID card you'll be forced to drink warm mud. If it makes you swell up, lose the power of your reproductive organs and generally gag, then you get shot on the spot. Otherwise you have to wait 6 months to get a new one.

  Of course, if women lose theirs, and if they are virgins then the arresting officer first gets to have his wicked way with them before the mud treatment.

  T.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Trilobite

  Here are a couple of good links, I think:

  http://www.guardian.co.uk

  (scroll down to the article on ID cards and links just below the main commentary)

  http://www.privacy.org/pi/activities/idcard/

  T.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  conflicted,

  Maybe not storming into one's house. However, ID cards aren't there just as a way to establish ID when called for. After all, that exists already with different IDs being required in different arenas. Instead, the idea is that people can be asked to "show their papers" on demand. Essentially, the ID card is a "license" to be out and about in public. The flaw in the whole thing is that, as has been pointed out, everyone already has to show ID for certain things (boarding planes, driving etc.) If those forms of ID can be forged then why not National ID cards too? So, ID cards wouldn't accomplish much except to allow the authorities to question people as they saw fit. To begin with with it would no doubt be people who looked Middle Eastern who were stopped. After that, who knows? Certainly they would be a good way of keeping tabs on people concerned with civil rights, protesters of various kinds, etc.

  T.
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  I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.

  it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

  i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.

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  Trilobite

  Even in the US one is not required to carry a driver's license (or any form of ID) unless one is driving. That seems to me to be the key difference between the various forms of ID that already exist for practical reasons and a national ID card. One could be asked to produce it under any circumstances and for no actual cause. Not carrying it would be an offense. Essentially the vulnerability to search and questioning that one voluntary accepts when one drives would extend to all other circumstances, such as just walking around.

  In essence it allows the police to question anyone and, for that reason should be opposed. I agree with Eman; it is the thin end of the wedge.

  T.