as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
wannahelp,
Also, apparently the material submitted by NGOs to prove that they are being good little NGOs is available for inspection in the DPI resource room. If you can get to see what the WTS submitted over the past 9 or 10 years then that information would be quite useful. I would imagine that it will take some time to remove this stuff, especially with the publicity that the UN is now getting because of the Nobel Prize. So there may be a window of opportunity.
T.
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
From the UN's secret handbook:
If it is learned that an NGO has taken up association withT. tongue-in-cheek class
the DPI based on false promises to support the UN, the matter should be investigated, and if verified, a committee should be formed.If it is clearly established that the NGO has talked out of both sides of its mouth, the DPI would make a brief announcement to the world that such an NGO has disassociated itself from the scarlet colored wild beast. No longer will it be permitted to indulge in the priviliges accorded to the rest of Babylon the Great.
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hawk et al,
Superb job. What timing! The WTS quits the beast and the beast immediately gets the Nobel Prize for Peace. Maybe they think they made a lucky exit but, in fact, I think this puts the spotlight on them even more.
Next time JWs stop by maybe we should act all innocent and say "aren't you people from the UN...."
T.
flash - major breaking!!!!!!!.
i just talked to paul hoeffel 1:35pm - he phoned me.. okay people.
i can now confirm that the watchtower has provided a letter in writing to dpi indicating that the wts has "disassociated" themselves from dpi - ie the wts has made it offical that they have quit.. i can also confirm that the wts has been updating dpi regularily as they are suppose to over the last 10 years.. i can also can say that something is in the works that i can disclose by hopeflly tomorrow.
The UN and Kofi Annan getting the Nobel Prize is a stroke of luck since it will focus attention on the UN, and any articles that discuss how the WTS has pulled out of the "beast" will be sure to attract considerable interest. Timing is everything.
T.
i just figured out today how to bypass the login sequences every time i reply to a thread.
but i am still miffed that i cannot follow the threads i have posted in without hunting through all the topics, some of which i may have no interest in.
is there a way on this board to track my own posts?
to all,
I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff; however, I think a large component of H2O's success was due to its format in which posts/replies were kept together. This might be obvious to most, but why can't we do that here? What would allows us to replicate H2O sans les moderateurs?
Simon; thanks! This is not a criticism in any way. I'm probably just way ignorant....
T.
i wanted to share with you a response by dutch bethel on a letter sent by dutch jw re: the ngo thing.. i've not been able to keep up with all the posts on this subject here, so i might end up saying this already said, but never mind that.. thing is, dutch bethel confirmed the ngo status, justifying it by referring to romans 13:1. .
quote from the letter (translated) : <i>"jehovah's witnesses view the organisation of the united nations in the same way they view the other governments of this world ... considering the un as one of the 'superior authorities' is a help to understanding that it is possible to have certain contacts with this institution, similar to the society having contact with ministries taking care of matters related to justice, education and the like"</i> .
as for sharing the ideals of the un charter, it was said : <i>"it is not that hard to only share ideals, while we of course pay tribute to the biblical view on the way in which they should be achieved"</i> (i couldn't help noticing the shocking similarity to the society's letter to hitler in this line of reasoning...).
[Quote]damn..we are good[\Quote]
Good but not great. Inspired? God's sole means of commmunication with mankind? ROFLMAO!!!!
Trilobite, LOL
just got this email from stephen bates:.
"i think another article will be going in the guardian tomorrow (ie saturday's.
paper...) so long as the war doesn't take up all the space.....".
[quote]Is it safe to assume that The Guardian is a reputable newspaper?
Never assume anything, but if you do, that is it! The Guardian is at least on a level with The [London] Times. Personally, I consider the paper to be the best in the world. It's a bit left wing which is why it is so good, but it carries major clout. Hell, it started in Manchester. Read Roy Hattersley's pieces, a former member of a UK gvnmt, if you doubt. It certainly has the best UK paper's web site by a long chalk.
How many journalists from a national[/i] paper would take the time to post here? Mr. Stephen Bates is no slouch; he has reported on child abuse in the Catholic Church, issues with the English monarchy, transfusions for JWs, and a whole host of other subjects, including the fact that the Queen keeps a plastic duck. Only someone with huevos and credibility could write such an article in the Grdn. This is HUGE.....
T.
latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).
i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.
i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.
Francois,
One thing that can be counted on for sure; the WTB&TS will do whatever's good for the WTB&TS.
That is true; I wonder if, in thie case, they actually know what that is. Their reaction seems ill thought through at best.
T.
just a question.
what stops the boys in crooklyn from simply saying: "look, we don't know why so & so filled out this form to become a ngo.
we, the governing body didn't know about it and as soon as we did we removed outselves from association with the un.
Roybatty,
For 10 years they have been supplying the UN with carefully selected examples of their literature which supports the UN's principles. That's hard to explain away, esp. since the GB supposedly oversees all articles. Some are clearly written to give the impression of promoting the UN, e.g., the Sep. (I believe) 1991 series of articles in Awake.
T.
as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.
the dpi is now taking them off the list.
the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.
wannahelp,
The Guardian article was in the paper itself - nice big article actually. Kent's watchtowerobserver site has a scan of it.
T.
